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		<title>By: darrell bishop</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70520</link>
		<dc:creator>darrell bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael,
ya what he said. you definitely don&#039;t suck...
but to be totally frank here, what disappoints me a bit about you is that you&#039;re not entirely correct every single time about everything re: baseball.
you need to work on that my friend...
and more importantly... why is it not possible that you have an opinion that &quot;everyone&quot; reading and listening completely agrees with. should that really be so hard michael?? honest to goodness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael,<br />
ya what he said. you definitely don&#8217;t suck&#8230;<br />
but to be totally frank here, what disappoints me a bit about you is that you&#8217;re not entirely correct every single time about everything re: baseball.<br />
you need to work on that my friend&#8230;<br />
and more importantly&#8230; why is it not possible that you have an opinion that &#8220;everyone&#8221; reading and listening completely agrees with. should that really be so hard michael?? honest to goodness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay B</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70494</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a couple of nights ago a caller called you out on being selective with the stats/extrapolations you choose to accept (i.e. &#039;the jays are on pace to win 95&#039; as being acceptable vs. this guy is going to finish the year hitting .220 cause he&#039;s hitting .220 right now&#039; and being unacceptable) to which you responded &#039;there&#039;s no way i would ever refute that, if the batter is batting .220&#039;...which is just dead false...you&#039;re always the first to point out sample sizes and career averages, and you&#039;re the guy who &#039;plays with numbers&#039; as you put it, more than any of the callers. you are incredibly guilty of exactly what the caller said, and an example of you refuting exactly what you said you&#039;d never refute is when one of the callers from earlier in the week said something about being worried about arencibia hitting .175 for the year when he was hitting .154 at the time, and you jumped on him saying that &#039;there is no possible reason to believe that arencibia will hit .175&#039;...which, don&#039;t get me wrong, i agree with, but is exactly what the caller was talking about...

the truth is, i&#039;ve felt the same way as that caller for a long time, so i&#039;m glad someone brought it up, and i hope you can accept that as constructive criticism, although i doubt you&#039;re willing to accept it at all...when i listen to your show, i want the opinion of a baseball &#039;insider&#039;, not the opinion of someone that comes across as a blue jays employee...

i think at times you don&#039;t draw a distinction between discussions on areas of weaknesses for the team, and flat out negativity...

i know you pride yourself on being the voice of reason, and providing balance to those that live and die with every result, but in my opinion, for what it&#039;s worth, you&#039;ve gone too far with it, and have lost that equilibrium for yourself...

all that said, i do enjoy your show and think that besides what i&#039;ve said above, you&#039;re the best i&#039;ve heard in terms of post game stuff on any station for any sport (and i listen to a pretty decent variety, from a lot of markets)...so none of this should be taken as a &#039;you suck Wilner&#039;, cause you definitely don&#039;t...

MW:  I appreciate that you think I don&#039;t suck, and I agree with you, but I think you&#039;re completely wrong with your main point.  There is a massive distinction between saying a team is &quot;on pace for&quot; X number of wins and saying that you don&#039;t believe an underachieving player will continue to underachieve.  The first point is made to illustrate that things aren&#039;t as bad as those people make them out to be - another way of saying &quot;You realize that you&#039;re complaining about a team that&#039;s playing at a 95-win pace, right?&quot;  Which is not to say at all that I believe they&#039;re going to win 95 games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a couple of nights ago a caller called you out on being selective with the stats/extrapolations you choose to accept (i.e. &#8216;the jays are on pace to win 95&#8242; as being acceptable vs. this guy is going to finish the year hitting .220 cause he&#8217;s hitting .220 right now&#8217; and being unacceptable) to which you responded &#8216;there&#8217;s no way i would ever refute that, if the batter is batting .220&#8242;&#8230;which is just dead false&#8230;you&#8217;re always the first to point out sample sizes and career averages, and you&#8217;re the guy who &#8216;plays with numbers&#8217; as you put it, more than any of the callers. you are incredibly guilty of exactly what the caller said, and an example of you refuting exactly what you said you&#8217;d never refute is when one of the callers from earlier in the week said something about being worried about arencibia hitting .175 for the year when he was hitting .154 at the time, and you jumped on him saying that &#8216;there is no possible reason to believe that arencibia will hit .175&#8242;&#8230;which, don&#8217;t get me wrong, i agree with, but is exactly what the caller was talking about&#8230;</p>
<p>the truth is, i&#8217;ve felt the same way as that caller for a long time, so i&#8217;m glad someone brought it up, and i hope you can accept that as constructive criticism, although i doubt you&#8217;re willing to accept it at all&#8230;when i listen to your show, i want the opinion of a baseball &#8216;insider&#8217;, not the opinion of someone that comes across as a blue jays employee&#8230;</p>
<p>i think at times you don&#8217;t draw a distinction between discussions on areas of weaknesses for the team, and flat out negativity&#8230;</p>
<p>i know you pride yourself on being the voice of reason, and providing balance to those that live and die with every result, but in my opinion, for what it&#8217;s worth, you&#8217;ve gone too far with it, and have lost that equilibrium for yourself&#8230;</p>
<p>all that said, i do enjoy your show and think that besides what i&#8217;ve said above, you&#8217;re the best i&#8217;ve heard in terms of post game stuff on any station for any sport (and i listen to a pretty decent variety, from a lot of markets)&#8230;so none of this should be taken as a &#8216;you suck Wilner&#8217;, cause you definitely don&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>MW:  I appreciate that you think I don&#8217;t suck, and I agree with you, but I think you&#8217;re completely wrong with your main point.  There is a massive distinction between saying a team is &#8220;on pace for&#8221; X number of wins and saying that you don&#8217;t believe an underachieving player will continue to underachieve.  The first point is made to illustrate that things aren&#8217;t as bad as those people make them out to be &#8211; another way of saying &#8220;You realize that you&#8217;re complaining about a team that&#8217;s playing at a 95-win pace, right?&#8221;  Which is not to say at all that I believe they&#8217;re going to win 95 games.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70493</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To contradict your perspective Mike, we should be pounding these teams offensively. We are not. That is what is ominous. Are we going to hit better when we start playing the Angels (slow start), Rangers, Tigers, CC Sabathia or Tampa? I don&#039;t think so. We need to face facts and realize that the plate approach that has been preached for the last 2 years is not working. Is Chad Mottola available? It is seriously frustrating to see us make Tommy Hunter, Jason Hammel &amp; the Indians (even masterson was not as good as we made him look) starting pitchers look like the second coming of Cy Young.

MW:  I don&#039;t believe anyone has been pounding these teams, and you&#039;re in error if you believe that mediocre starting pitchers don&#039;t have great games.  They do, just not as often as the great ones do.  Just as a .300 hitter doesn&#039;t get three hits every ten at-bats, a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA doesn&#039;t always give up a run every other inning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To contradict your perspective Mike, we should be pounding these teams offensively. We are not. That is what is ominous. Are we going to hit better when we start playing the Angels (slow start), Rangers, Tigers, CC Sabathia or Tampa? I don&#8217;t think so. We need to face facts and realize that the plate approach that has been preached for the last 2 years is not working. Is Chad Mottola available? It is seriously frustrating to see us make Tommy Hunter, Jason Hammel &amp; the Indians (even masterson was not as good as we made him look) starting pitchers look like the second coming of Cy Young.</p>
<p>MW:  I don&#8217;t believe anyone has been pounding these teams, and you&#8217;re in error if you believe that mediocre starting pitchers don&#8217;t have great games.  They do, just not as often as the great ones do.  Just as a .300 hitter doesn&#8217;t get three hits every ten at-bats, a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA doesn&#8217;t always give up a run every other inning.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70491</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am STUNNED having just listened to a caller from the Blue Jays Talk that complained about the homer that Rasmus clearly botched in center field. (??)   
What was BRUTAL was EE&#039;s first defensive chance at 3B.  That was terrible and kind of hilarious that he committed an error IMMEDIATELY at third.

Wow, what a complete dope.  The thing is I always tend to sit beside guys like that when I go to the game.  Makes an argument for staying at home.

Mike, how impressed are you this year with the Jays approach and patience at the plate?  They are working the pitcher MUCH much better this year and not giving at bats away.  I LOVE it.  Wait until the bats heat up.  Look out!

MW:  I really do love the approach.  It seems as though they&#039;re routinely getting pitchers close to triple digits in pitch count by the fifth inning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am STUNNED having just listened to a caller from the Blue Jays Talk that complained about the homer that Rasmus clearly botched in center field. (??)<br />
What was BRUTAL was EE&#8217;s first defensive chance at 3B.  That was terrible and kind of hilarious that he committed an error IMMEDIATELY at third.</p>
<p>Wow, what a complete dope.  The thing is I always tend to sit beside guys like that when I go to the game.  Makes an argument for staying at home.</p>
<p>Mike, how impressed are you this year with the Jays approach and patience at the plate?  They are working the pitcher MUCH much better this year and not giving at bats away.  I LOVE it.  Wait until the bats heat up.  Look out!</p>
<p>MW:  I really do love the approach.  It seems as though they&#8217;re routinely getting pitchers close to triple digits in pitch count by the fifth inning.</p>
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		<title>By: darrell bishop</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70489</link>
		<dc:creator>darrell bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael,
so young hutch up tonite to help avoid the sweep from those ghastly baltimores i see...
nice.
definitely a good test coming up for the young hurler&#039;s 2nd career start.
can&#039;t wait... the kid&#039;s gonna be good this evening. you just watch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael,<br />
so young hutch up tonite to help avoid the sweep from those ghastly baltimores i see&#8230;<br />
nice.<br />
definitely a good test coming up for the young hurler&#8217;s 2nd career start.<br />
can&#8217;t wait&#8230; the kid&#8217;s gonna be good this evening. you just watch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karim</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70488</link>
		<dc:creator>Karim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Lind has a hot month every now and then surrounded by stretches of awfulness, and Thames can make the most routine plays in left.  Hooray..?  I thought this team was in the business of competing for a pennant, not celebrating more mediocrity.  My point is, guys might not be as bad as they&#039;re playing right now, but realistically you project these guys out and they&#039;re not very good either.  Anthopolous has said it himself numerous times, you need to be above average all around the diamond to win in this division and I just don&#039;t see that ever happening for a few of these guys (Lind, Thames, Arencibia).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Lind has a hot month every now and then surrounded by stretches of awfulness, and Thames can make the most routine plays in left.  Hooray..?  I thought this team was in the business of competing for a pennant, not celebrating more mediocrity.  My point is, guys might not be as bad as they&#8217;re playing right now, but realistically you project these guys out and they&#8217;re not very good either.  Anthopolous has said it himself numerous times, you need to be above average all around the diamond to win in this division and I just don&#8217;t see that ever happening for a few of these guys (Lind, Thames, Arencibia).</p>
<p>MW:  Read every other answer in the comments section.</p>
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		<title>By: darrell bishop</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70484</link>
		<dc:creator>darrell bishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>michael,
news update from baltimore this morning... the thames home run from 2 nights ago just landed...
got all of it apparently...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael,<br />
news update from baltimore this morning&#8230; the thames home run from 2 nights ago just landed&#8230;<br />
got all of it apparently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2012/04/26/another-great-start-wasted/#comment-70483</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Lind:  

Yes, he&#039;s been good for fits and starts in 2010 and 2011.  But so have many baseball players.  For 2011 you&#039;re talking about 183 ABs. In a larger sample size last year (201 ABs) Albert Pujols hit .259/.330/.388).  Does that make him middling (at best) hitter?  The answer is no, and the same logic should apply to Lind.

And you can&#039;t simply exclude how he hit versus left handed pitching in an analysis of a player as a whole -  if his 2010 was &quot;dragged down&quot; against left handed pitching... well what does that tell you about the player?  It tells you he had a bad overall year.  It tells you that he should have been (and likely still should be based on his career #s) platooning.

Let&#039;s just face the facts regarding Lind:  he has put up exactly one great year in the MLB (now going on 3 years ago), one &quot;good&quot; half year (2008), one &quot;poor&quot; half year (2007) and two consecutive &quot;disappointing&quot; years (going on 3) that were generally poor, with brief flashes of very good/great. 

As hard as it may be to face, Lind&#039;s numbers are what they are.

MW:  Everybody&#039;s numbers are what they are, but what you so easily dismiss is the fact that his numbers against left-handed pitchers dragged him down.  You can&#039;t gloss over that.  It doesn&#039;t mean he had a &quot;bad overall year&quot;, it means that he hit lefties very poorly and was just fine against right-handers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Lind:  </p>
<p>Yes, he&#8217;s been good for fits and starts in 2010 and 2011.  But so have many baseball players.  For 2011 you&#8217;re talking about 183 ABs. In a larger sample size last year (201 ABs) Albert Pujols hit .259/.330/.388).  Does that make him middling (at best) hitter?  The answer is no, and the same logic should apply to Lind.</p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t simply exclude how he hit versus left handed pitching in an analysis of a player as a whole &#8211;  if his 2010 was &#8220;dragged down&#8221; against left handed pitching&#8230; well what does that tell you about the player?  It tells you he had a bad overall year.  It tells you that he should have been (and likely still should be based on his career #s) platooning.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just face the facts regarding Lind:  he has put up exactly one great year in the MLB (now going on 3 years ago), one &#8220;good&#8221; half year (2008), one &#8220;poor&#8221; half year (2007) and two consecutive &#8220;disappointing&#8221; years (going on 3) that were generally poor, with brief flashes of very good/great. </p>
<p>As hard as it may be to face, Lind&#8217;s numbers are what they are.</p>
<p>MW:  Everybody&#8217;s numbers are what they are, but what you so easily dismiss is the fact that his numbers against left-handed pitchers dragged him down.  You can&#8217;t gloss over that.  It doesn&#8217;t mean he had a &#8220;bad overall year&#8221;, it means that he hit lefties very poorly and was just fine against right-handers.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jays need to bring up the lunchbox now. Maybe shake a few people out of their slumber. Thames is horrible in left field and takes ridiculous routes to the ball. Perhaps Bautista should stop worrying about every strike call he doesn&#039;t like. He looks like he is becoming a whiner. Escobar has looked lost at the plate and pounds everything into the dirt. He needs a shorter bat. This team has much to be concerned about. And finally, the Jays need Farnsworth

MW: So he can hang out on the disabled list with Sergio Santos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jays need to bring up the lunchbox now. Maybe shake a few people out of their slumber. Thames is horrible in left field and takes ridiculous routes to the ball. Perhaps Bautista should stop worrying about every strike call he doesn&#8217;t like. He looks like he is becoming a whiner. Escobar has looked lost at the plate and pounds everything into the dirt. He needs a shorter bat. This team has much to be concerned about. And finally, the Jays need Farnsworth</p>
<p>MW: So he can hang out on the disabled list with Sergio Santos?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - I&#039;m hooked on the Jays again and they&#039;re entertaining to say the least. I only wish Martinez and Tabler could be just a tad more partial in covering the game. Gregg Zaun gives far better insight as he&#039;s simply more objective. After the start to the season thus far and I know it&#039;s just a start I&#039;m still not as optomistic about the Jays as you. Last night you said Baltimore would finish way last. Perhaps you should read Richard Griffen&#039;s article on Baltimore in the Star today. I&#039;m going out on a limb right now and predict that Bautista&#039;s glory days are over. You cite statistics all the time so consider his. He had 1 outstanding season and started to have a second one last year and then he reverted to &#039;average&#039; again. Mike Weir won the Masters and became a star for 2 seasons and whatever it is that makes you &#039;better than the rest&#039; left him.Bautista appears the same. He carries the same swagger but do you notice that pitchers aren&#039;t so afraid to pitch to him as they once were? I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll provide a stat that shows he&#039;s being walked as much as he was last year. I hope Bautista proves me wrong. Because the Jays really really need that bat.
Gary

MW:  It depends on what you consider to be average.  Bautista &quot;reverted&quot; to an .896 OPS after the all-star break, which on its own would have been good enough for the top 10 in the A.L. over the full season.  I don&#039;t consider that to be average.  Also, the fact that Richard Griffin wrote something doesn&#039;t mean that he&#039;s right and I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; I&#8217;m hooked on the Jays again and they&#8217;re entertaining to say the least. I only wish Martinez and Tabler could be just a tad more partial in covering the game. Gregg Zaun gives far better insight as he&#8217;s simply more objective. After the start to the season thus far and I know it&#8217;s just a start I&#8217;m still not as optomistic about the Jays as you. Last night you said Baltimore would finish way last. Perhaps you should read Richard Griffen&#8217;s article on Baltimore in the Star today. I&#8217;m going out on a limb right now and predict that Bautista&#8217;s glory days are over. You cite statistics all the time so consider his. He had 1 outstanding season and started to have a second one last year and then he reverted to &#8216;average&#8217; again. Mike Weir won the Masters and became a star for 2 seasons and whatever it is that makes you &#8216;better than the rest&#8217; left him.Bautista appears the same. He carries the same swagger but do you notice that pitchers aren&#8217;t so afraid to pitch to him as they once were? I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll provide a stat that shows he&#8217;s being walked as much as he was last year. I hope Bautista proves me wrong. Because the Jays really really need that bat.<br />
Gary</p>
<p>MW:  It depends on what you consider to be average.  Bautista &#8220;reverted&#8221; to an .896 OPS after the all-star break, which on its own would have been good enough for the top 10 in the A.L. over the full season.  I don&#8217;t consider that to be average.  Also, the fact that Richard Griffin wrote something doesn&#8217;t mean that he&#8217;s right and I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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