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		<title>By: Domenick</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/11/16/starting-with-a-tough-one/#comment-42876</link>
		<dc:creator>Domenick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reasoning for putting Phillips in the leadoff spot is because of his speed.  I guess my argument may be a bit weak but they really don&#039;t have a very good option once Scutaro leaves.  The only reasonable guy to plug in there is Overbay but Cito doesn&#039;t seem to like him much.  Who is a decent option?  Wilner, I don&#039;t think you can pick one.  We can probably agree on 2 things.  One is that neither Phillips or Encarnacion are decent at third base and two, that the Blue Jays don&#039;t have a leadoff hitter.  If it were up to me I would have Overbay there and Wells would be my second choice.  No logic in Wells, just a desperate hunch.

MW:  You seem to think that speed helps when it&#039;s sitting on the bench after having gotten out - I don&#039;t.  I can&#039;t agree that neither Encarnacion NOR Phillips is decent at third base.  Encarnacion was fine there, he just has some issues with a few throws, and Phillips is a terrific defender at second, I see no reason why he wouldn&#039;t be good at third, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reasoning for putting Phillips in the leadoff spot is because of his speed.  I guess my argument may be a bit weak but they really don&#8217;t have a very good option once Scutaro leaves.  The only reasonable guy to plug in there is Overbay but Cito doesn&#8217;t seem to like him much.  Who is a decent option?  Wilner, I don&#8217;t think you can pick one.  We can probably agree on 2 things.  One is that neither Phillips or Encarnacion are decent at third base and two, that the Blue Jays don&#8217;t have a leadoff hitter.  If it were up to me I would have Overbay there and Wells would be my second choice.  No logic in Wells, just a desperate hunch.</p>
<p>MW:  You seem to think that speed helps when it&#8217;s sitting on the bench after having gotten out &#8211; I don&#8217;t.  I can&#8217;t agree that neither Encarnacion NOR Phillips is decent at third base.  Encarnacion was fine there, he just has some issues with a few throws, and Phillips is a terrific defender at second, I see no reason why he wouldn&#8217;t be good at third, too.</p>
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		<title>By: mike glatt</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/11/16/starting-with-a-tough-one/#comment-42858</link>
		<dc:creator>mike glatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike I wonder if you could give me some feedback on Robert Bell who pitched in Dunedin this year. His stats as a closer were awfully good.
Very good WHIP with high strikeouts to innings pitched and very few walks.
Does he have a chance for a look this year?( I believe he just turned 24).

MW:  I can&#039;t give you any feedback other than what you&#039;ve given me.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen him pitch, but I know that the Blue Jays like what they have.  He&#039;s going into his 3rd year pro, so there&#039;s no need to put him on the 40-man roster as yet - he&#039;ll only get a look this year if he goes to AA and dominates and then has success at AAA and forces their hand.  It&#039;s Bobby Bell, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike I wonder if you could give me some feedback on Robert Bell who pitched in Dunedin this year. His stats as a closer were awfully good.<br />
Very good WHIP with high strikeouts to innings pitched and very few walks.<br />
Does he have a chance for a look this year?( I believe he just turned 24).</p>
<p>MW:  I can&#8217;t give you any feedback other than what you&#8217;ve given me.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen him pitch, but I know that the Blue Jays like what they have.  He&#8217;s going into his 3rd year pro, so there&#8217;s no need to put him on the 40-man roster as yet &#8211; he&#8217;ll only get a look this year if he goes to AA and dominates and then has success at AAA and forces their hand.  It&#8217;s Bobby Bell, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/11/16/starting-with-a-tough-one/#comment-42856</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike,

If the Angels are still offering Wood, Weaver and a kid, would you take it? Now that JP&#039;s soft-tossing-lefty-fixation is no longer in the picture (Saunders over Weaver? Really?), do you think AA will revisit that offer? (Of course he&#039;ll look at everything, duh. But I mean seriously consider it.) I like that offer a lot better than the Drabek/Brown thing they were looking at. Also, if Doc ever ends up a Yankee, I will strongly consider guerrilla/terrorist action: ie. mustarding the mens room at Rogers Centre, water-ballooning the mascot, ordering pizza&#039;s to AA&#039;s residence (but not paying for them) and lastly (and most heinously) putting flaming turd bags on random AA employee porches. I mean Bean town would be bad, but nothing could be worse than NY. Nothing.

Please Mike, say it ain&#039;t so.

MW:  If the Yankees make the best offer and it sets the Jays up nicely for the next five years or so, Halladay will go to New York.  I wouldn&#039;t bet on it, though.  As for Weaver, Wood and a kid - it depends on a few things.  Weaver is going into arbitration, and would only be under control through the end of 2012.  Wood still has six years of control, but his development seems to have stalled - is he still a shortstop of the future?  I&#039;d like to give him the chance to do it, for sure, but I think they&#039;d be looking for more than just him and a kid for down the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike,</p>
<p>If the Angels are still offering Wood, Weaver and a kid, would you take it? Now that JP&#8217;s soft-tossing-lefty-fixation is no longer in the picture (Saunders over Weaver? Really?), do you think AA will revisit that offer? (Of course he&#8217;ll look at everything, duh. But I mean seriously consider it.) I like that offer a lot better than the Drabek/Brown thing they were looking at. Also, if Doc ever ends up a Yankee, I will strongly consider guerrilla/terrorist action: ie. mustarding the mens room at Rogers Centre, water-ballooning the mascot, ordering pizza&#8217;s to AA&#8217;s residence (but not paying for them) and lastly (and most heinously) putting flaming turd bags on random AA employee porches. I mean Bean town would be bad, but nothing could be worse than NY. Nothing.</p>
<p>Please Mike, say it ain&#8217;t so.</p>
<p>MW:  If the Yankees make the best offer and it sets the Jays up nicely for the next five years or so, Halladay will go to New York.  I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it, though.  As for Weaver, Wood and a kid &#8211; it depends on a few things.  Weaver is going into arbitration, and would only be under control through the end of 2012.  Wood still has six years of control, but his development seems to have stalled &#8211; is he still a shortstop of the future?  I&#8217;d like to give him the chance to do it, for sure, but I think they&#8217;d be looking for more than just him and a kid for down the line.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Could you please explain why Vernon was playing with injuries for 2 seasons? He injured his wrist and shoulder in 2007, had shoulder surgery that off-season but not the wrist surgery, played with a presumably injured wrist in 2008, again, didn&#039;t have surgery in the 08 off season and then plays the full 09 season knowing full well his wrist was still injured? I don&#039;t get it.

MW:  You have to get into the mind of the pro athlete.  They think playing hurt is a point of pride.  They&#039;re told to put it all on the line anytime they can as long as they&#039;re physically able to walk out onto the field.  It&#039;s not Vernon-specific.  As I said before, someone who is not on the field has to be the grown-up and tell guys they can&#039;t play when injuries are preventing them from contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Could you please explain why Vernon was playing with injuries for 2 seasons? He injured his wrist and shoulder in 2007, had shoulder surgery that off-season but not the wrist surgery, played with a presumably injured wrist in 2008, again, didn&#8217;t have surgery in the 08 off season and then plays the full 09 season knowing full well his wrist was still injured? I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>MW:  You have to get into the mind of the pro athlete.  They think playing hurt is a point of pride.  They&#8217;re told to put it all on the line anytime they can as long as they&#8217;re physically able to walk out onto the field.  It&#8217;s not Vernon-specific.  As I said before, someone who is not on the field has to be the grown-up and tell guys they can&#8217;t play when injuries are preventing them from contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt in BC</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/11/16/starting-with-a-tough-one/#comment-42852</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt in BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike. When does the voting for the Ford C Frick award start? I haven&#039;t forgotten about Mr Cheek! I know it couldn&#039;t have started yet because you would have let us know! Also when will you be eligable to vote for who gets into Cooperstown?

MW:  I&#039;ll never be eligible to vote, unless I get a job writing for a newspaper.  Voting for the Frick starts on December 1st.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike. When does the voting for the Ford C Frick award start? I haven&#8217;t forgotten about Mr Cheek! I know it couldn&#8217;t have started yet because you would have let us know! Also when will you be eligable to vote for who gets into Cooperstown?</p>
<p>MW:  I&#8217;ll never be eligible to vote, unless I get a job writing for a newspaper.  Voting for the Frick starts on December 1st.</p>
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		<title>By: Rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -  my last comment on AL CY before the writers decision comes down tomorrow.  I&#039;ve been posting on MLB.com my thoughts on how Halladay deserves strong consideration based on the much tougher competition he faced compared to Greinke/Felix.   Doc for example had 7 wins from his 11 starts vs Bos/NYY/LAA. Zach had only 3 starts vs those teams.  Anyway I know I&#039;m preaching to the choir on Doc.  

I think Zack will edge out King Felix for the CY.   I noticed that in starts longer than 6 innings, Zack had 6 starts of 3 hits or less.   Only 2 more than King Felix but it&#039;s an edge in &quot;dominance&quot;.   

I just hope that the writers at least put Doc ahead of CC in the voting.  Its a shame Doc had to work through all the distraction JP created for him - it even sucked the fun out of the All-Star start for Doc.

Thanks for being there for we die-hard Jays fans this season.

MW:  I think you&#039;re giving voters too much credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211;  my last comment on AL CY before the writers decision comes down tomorrow.  I&#8217;ve been posting on MLB.com my thoughts on how Halladay deserves strong consideration based on the much tougher competition he faced compared to Greinke/Felix.   Doc for example had 7 wins from his 11 starts vs Bos/NYY/LAA. Zach had only 3 starts vs those teams.  Anyway I know I&#8217;m preaching to the choir on Doc.  </p>
<p>I think Zack will edge out King Felix for the CY.   I noticed that in starts longer than 6 innings, Zack had 6 starts of 3 hits or less.   Only 2 more than King Felix but it&#8217;s an edge in &#8220;dominance&#8221;.   </p>
<p>I just hope that the writers at least put Doc ahead of CC in the voting.  Its a shame Doc had to work through all the distraction JP created for him &#8211; it even sucked the fun out of the All-Star start for Doc.</p>
<p>Thanks for being there for we die-hard Jays fans this season.</p>
<p>MW:  I think you&#8217;re giving voters too much credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have given it to Jones myself.  Ryan Howard had less plate appearances (312) when he won the award in 2005, so it shouldn&#039;t matter that he only played half a season.  It doesn&#039;t matter anymore anyway as they gave it to Coghlan.

I heard on the Fan590 today that the Jays are looking at 2B Brandon Phillips from the Reds.  I assume they would move Hill back to SS if they got him.  Phillips hits for power, but he strikes out too much and hits for a mediocre average, which would probably only drop with him coming to a new league.  I believe they could do better.  Whats your opinion?

MW:  See above.  But Phillips would be moving to third if the Jays brought him in, I believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have given it to Jones myself.  Ryan Howard had less plate appearances (312) when he won the award in 2005, so it shouldn&#8217;t matter that he only played half a season.  It doesn&#8217;t matter anymore anyway as they gave it to Coghlan.</p>
<p>I heard on the Fan590 today that the Jays are looking at 2B Brandon Phillips from the Reds.  I assume they would move Hill back to SS if they got him.  Phillips hits for power, but he strikes out too much and hits for a mediocre average, which would probably only drop with him coming to a new league.  I believe they could do better.  Whats your opinion?</p>
<p>MW:  See above.  But Phillips would be moving to third if the Jays brought him in, I believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Renegade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renegade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/runnin-the-bases-part-1


Jays rank #9 in baserunning.

MW:  Overall.  5th in the American League according to this metric.</description>
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<p>Jays rank #9 in baserunning.</p>
<p>MW:  Overall.  5th in the American League according to this metric.</p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mike,
Re Romero not receiving any votes.  Do you think this is partly because he plays in Toronto?  If you think it is, what I don&#039;t understand is why playing in Toronto is any worse publicity-wise than playing in some of the smaller cities in the US.  Are baseball writers more familiar with the Brewers or the Royals than the Blue Jays?

MW:  Maybe, a little.  Toronto has really been an afterthought on an MLB-wide basis for the last 15 years or so.   More likely, Romero didn&#039;t get any votes because he didn&#039;t have as good a year as Bailey, Porcello or Niemann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mike,<br />
Re Romero not receiving any votes.  Do you think this is partly because he plays in Toronto?  If you think it is, what I don&#8217;t understand is why playing in Toronto is any worse publicity-wise than playing in some of the smaller cities in the US.  Are baseball writers more familiar with the Brewers or the Royals than the Blue Jays?</p>
<p>MW:  Maybe, a little.  Toronto has really been an afterthought on an MLB-wide basis for the last 15 years or so.   More likely, Romero didn&#8217;t get any votes because he didn&#8217;t have as good a year as Bailey, Porcello or Niemann.</p>
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		<title>By: Domenick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domenick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon Phillips is on the market and it seems that Jays fans would be ecstatic in getting him.  I think it would be a positive mood because he is a better player then Encarnacion but I don&#039;t think he is too much better.  In an entire healthy season, a realistic projection for Encarnacion may be .260 AVG, .340 OBP, .440 SLG, 5 SB.  Brandon Phillips may be .280 AVG, .320 OBP, .440 SLG, 25 SB.  The difference may be that Phillips can run a little bit and be better defensively if he is successful as a third baseman.  Also, he can bat in the leadoff spot for the Jays and even though his on base is a little low, the loss of Scutaro will create a huge loss at the top of the order.  I think that Phillips is a decent ball player but Jays fans should temper their excitement.  Your thoughts?

MW:  Why on Earth would you ever put Phillips in the lead-off spot.  I&#039;m not a fan of his because I think he pumps up his numbers way too much against lefties, who you don&#039;t see nearly as often.  Against right-handed pitching, Phillips hit .267/.324/.416 in 2009, .247/.293/.383 in 2008 and .262/.310/.428 in 2007.  I&#039;d rather have Encarnacion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon Phillips is on the market and it seems that Jays fans would be ecstatic in getting him.  I think it would be a positive mood because he is a better player then Encarnacion but I don&#8217;t think he is too much better.  In an entire healthy season, a realistic projection for Encarnacion may be .260 AVG, .340 OBP, .440 SLG, 5 SB.  Brandon Phillips may be .280 AVG, .320 OBP, .440 SLG, 25 SB.  The difference may be that Phillips can run a little bit and be better defensively if he is successful as a third baseman.  Also, he can bat in the leadoff spot for the Jays and even though his on base is a little low, the loss of Scutaro will create a huge loss at the top of the order.  I think that Phillips is a decent ball player but Jays fans should temper their excitement.  Your thoughts?</p>
<p>MW:  Why on Earth would you ever put Phillips in the lead-off spot.  I&#8217;m not a fan of his because I think he pumps up his numbers way too much against lefties, who you don&#8217;t see nearly as often.  Against right-handed pitching, Phillips hit .267/.324/.416 in 2009, .247/.293/.383 in 2008 and .262/.310/.428 in 2007.  I&#8217;d rather have Encarnacion.</p>
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