Comments on: Mutiny On The Good Ship Blue Jay http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/ Covering the MLB with a focus on the Toronto Blue Jays Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:15:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Arlington http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-42073 Arlington Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:11:22 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-42073 My take on Cito Gaston is very simple. Why would a manager who has won two World Series titles not be willing to be interviewed by another team and inform them of his management philosophy and how that philosophy contributed to his success? Methinks, Cito knows that he was the lucky jockey on a couple of very good horses QED. MW: He was willing to be interviewed, many times. But he got to the point where he didn't want to do it anymore. My take on Cito Gaston is very simple. Why would a manager who has won two World Series titles not be willing to be interviewed by another team and inform them of his management philosophy and how that philosophy contributed to his success? Methinks, Cito knows that he was the lucky jockey on a couple of very good horses QED.

MW: He was willing to be interviewed, many times. But he got to the point where he didn’t want to do it anymore.

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MW: No G.M. operates with total control over all baseball decisions.

]]> By: Carlos http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41738 Carlos Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:07:32 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41738 Right on Wilner with your comments.Maybe it's true that Cito just filled out the lineup card and let the boys play in the good old glory days altho I don't believe it was that simple.More than ever he seems to sit there like an automaton and barly move or make any in-game strategic moves. Tennace appears to be a clone of his crony/boss.Arnsberg, however, seems to show interest and empathy when talking to his pitchers. Can Cito be blamed for the horrible year Wells had or the sub-par play of Lyle Overpaid,Rios,Snider, Downs,Frasor? Maybe partly but apparently Hill and Lind blossomed on his watch. On balance though, I think that Cito should go. I can see him being fired part way through next season...about June 15/10. MW: I don't think we'll see Cito fired in the middle of a season. Right on Wilner with your comments.Maybe it’s true that Cito just filled out the lineup card and let the boys play in the good old glory days altho I don’t believe it was that simple.More than ever he seems to sit there like an automaton and barly move or make any in-game strategic moves. Tennace appears to be a clone of his crony/boss.Arnsberg, however, seems to show interest and empathy when talking to his pitchers. Can Cito be blamed for the horrible year Wells had or the sub-par play of Lyle Overpaid,Rios,Snider, Downs,Frasor? Maybe partly but apparently Hill and Lind blossomed on his watch. On balance though, I think that Cito should go. I can see him being fired part way through next season…about June 15/10.

MW: I don’t think we’ll see Cito fired in the middle of a season.

]]> By: J. B. Rainsberger http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41722 J. B. Rainsberger Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:58:16 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41722 Thanks, Mike, for providing some perspective from the inside. Sorely needed. I feel bad about what allowed you to feel comfortable doing it -- I would have preferred a few players show willingness to go on the record with you -- but I feel like I got good reporting from someone I trust. Thanks for that. As for the team, you know we agree most times on managing tactics, and I noticed yesterday that Cito never took Halladay out in the middle of an inning. Not once. Halladay had zero bequeathed runners. It reminds me of how he handled Morris, even on the days when Morris didn't deserve it. Typical Cito. As you wrote, when Cito was getting players to be willing to jump out of a plane to play for him (Stottlemyre), I could accept his questionable tactics. One used to say that he managed for 162 games, rather than for any one of them. Still, if he has indeed lost his touch with this team, then it's time for him to move on. I wish him well. He might win a World Series somewhere else, but I hope too that he opts for the cushy job with the Jays. Thanks, Mike, for providing some perspective from the inside. Sorely needed. I feel bad about what allowed you to feel comfortable doing it — I would have preferred a few players show willingness to go on the record with you — but I feel like I got good reporting from someone I trust. Thanks for that.

As for the team, you know we agree most times on managing tactics, and I noticed yesterday that Cito never took Halladay out in the middle of an inning. Not once. Halladay had zero bequeathed runners. It reminds me of how he handled Morris, even on the days when Morris didn’t deserve it. Typical Cito.

As you wrote, when Cito was getting players to be willing to jump out of a plane to play for him (Stottlemyre), I could accept his questionable tactics. One used to say that he managed for 162 games, rather than for any one of them. Still, if he has indeed lost his touch with this team, then it’s time for him to move on. I wish him well. He might win a World Series somewhere else, but I hope too that he opts for the cushy job with the Jays.

]]> By: David http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41715 David Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:25:40 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41715 Hey Mike, I worked the last two nights, so I did not get a chance to listen to much of the games. Maybe my question has already been answered, but I'm just wondering if these guys do not like the way Cito manages the team - and I'm a Cito fan, but I don't agree with all of his decisions, such as Ruiz's playing time - how would they handle playing for somebody such as Ozzie in Chicago who publicly calls out his players using profane language? MW: I think Ozzie is probably a guy that players wind up tuning out pretty quickly. You don't think profanity actually bothers pro athletes, do you? Hey Mike,

I worked the last two nights, so I did not get a chance to listen to much of the games. Maybe my question has already been answered, but I’m just wondering if these guys do not like the way Cito manages the team – and I’m a Cito fan, but I don’t agree with all of his decisions, such as Ruiz’s playing time – how would they handle playing for somebody such as Ozzie in Chicago who publicly calls out his players using profane language?

MW: I think Ozzie is probably a guy that players wind up tuning out pretty quickly. You don’t think profanity actually bothers pro athletes, do you?

]]> By: ray b http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41714 ray b Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:40:26 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41714 re comment 53.. Clueless??..Gaston is around for one more season..The new GM has said that..If things were as bad as you say it was then why isn't Gaston fired? MW: I guess because Paul Beeston doesn't want to let the inmates run the asylum. re comment 53..

Clueless??..Gaston is around for one more season..The new GM has said that..If things were as bad as you say it was then why isn’t Gaston fired?

MW: I guess because Paul Beeston doesn’t want to let the inmates run the asylum.

]]> By: usa http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41709 usa Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:23:17 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41709 Scooped again by the American media. Why does no Toronto writer/broadcaster ever BREAK stories. Always playing catchup to their American counterparts. It's embarrassing. MW: Things don't get leaked to us - and when they do, we tend not to go with them until we can get someone on the record. Scooped again by the American media. Why does no Toronto writer/broadcaster ever BREAK stories. Always playing catchup to their American counterparts. It’s embarrassing.

MW: Things don’t get leaked to us – and when they do, we tend not to go with them until we can get someone on the record.

]]> By: Brian http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41697 Brian Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:57:57 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41697 Hi Mke, A great diagnosis on all the missteps of Cito this year. I could never understand why he chose to platoon a budding young star in Snider early in the season, and then batting him 8th or 9th when he was called up later in the season. I felt he also misused Accardo and especially Tallet as well. Overbay with his high OBP should have been in the 2 slot in the order...Millar must have pictures on someone to have played so much despite being very ineffective. What did Ruiz do wrong to have not been given more playing time? But the thing that bugged me the most was the lack of fire and leadership that Gaston showed as his team continually got hit by pitches later in the season with seemingly no retaliation from his own pitchers to the opposition. I think I remember you saying once since August 26th Jay hitters had been HBP's 16 times and the opposition only 4....Was Cito telling his pitchers not to retaliate?? I commend Halladay and Carlson for stepping up on behalf of their hit batsmen teammates. Hi Mke,

A great diagnosis on all the missteps of Cito this year. I could never understand why he chose to platoon a budding young star in Snider early in the season, and then batting him 8th or 9th when he was called up later in the season.

I felt he also misused Accardo and especially Tallet as well. Overbay with his high OBP should have been in the 2 slot in the order…Millar must have pictures on someone to have played so much despite being very ineffective. What did Ruiz do wrong to have not been given more playing time?

But the thing that bugged me the most was the lack of fire and leadership that Gaston showed as his team continually got hit by pitches later in the season with seemingly no retaliation from his own pitchers to the opposition. I think I remember you saying once since August 26th Jay hitters had been HBP’s 16 times and the opposition only 4….Was Cito telling his pitchers not to retaliate?? I commend Halladay and Carlson for stepping up on behalf of their hit batsmen teammates.

]]> By: TheSunkenZealot http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41694 TheSunkenZealot Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:20:06 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41694 f cito gave randy ruiz 100 AB and he hit ( was it 9 or 8 HR), then in a 300 AB season he hits 27 or 24. thats pretty damn good. MW: It is, though you can’t necessarily extrapolate B from A. And hitters get closer to 600 at-bats in a full season of action. exactly, do the math..... 8 x 600/100 = 48 48 homeruns in a season. now thats better than pretty damn good. MW: Again, just because a guy is "on pace" for something doesn't mean he'll actually come close to doing it. Remember, Marco Scutaro was on pace for about 25 homers at the end of April. f cito gave randy ruiz 100 AB
and he hit ( was it 9 or 8 HR), then in a 300 AB season he hits 27 or 24.
thats pretty damn good.

MW: It is, though you can’t necessarily extrapolate B from A. And hitters get closer to 600 at-bats in a full season of action.

exactly, do the math…..
8 x 600/100 = 48

48 homeruns in a season.
now thats better than pretty damn good.

MW: Again, just because a guy is “on pace” for something doesn’t mean he’ll actually come close to doing it. Remember, Marco Scutaro was on pace for about 25 homers at the end of April.

]]> By: Rick http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41683 Rick Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:02:25 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/#comment-41683 Hey Mike The over/under on Jay wins for this season was actually 79.5, so they won't exceed that mark. The wife was terrified when the club got off to the hot start, but in the end i'm cashing in. Hopefully sometime soon, i will be betting on the "over" for the Jays. MW: Wow, it was that high? Hey Mike

The over/under on Jay wins for this season was actually 79.5, so they won’t exceed that mark. The wife was terrified when the club got off to the hot start, but in the end i’m cashing in. Hopefully sometime soon, i will be betting on the “over” for the Jays.

MW: Wow, it was that high?

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