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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/11/marcum-down-for-another-win-2/#comment-13721</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m usually pretty good with reminding you what we&#039;re talking about, but I figured that when I&#039;m the only guy still commenting on a particular post it might not be necessary.

&quot;How convenient&quot; that you have an excuse not to present your &quot;facts&quot; in defense of Stewart, or of Ricciardi, or of yourself, whichever the case may be.

MW:  Right.  I went back and checked. See, when the comments are presented I only see the comment, not the thread, not what came before or after.  Anyway, I spend way too much time on this to deal with people who insult me, so while the excuse may be there, you presented it yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m usually pretty good with reminding you what we&#8217;re talking about, but I figured that when I&#8217;m the only guy still commenting on a particular post it might not be necessary.</p>
<p>&#8220;How convenient&#8221; that you have an excuse not to present your &#8220;facts&#8221; in defense of Stewart, or of Ricciardi, or of yourself, whichever the case may be.</p>
<p>MW:  Right.  I went back and checked. See, when the comments are presented I only see the comment, not the thread, not what came before or after.  Anyway, I spend way too much time on this to deal with people who insult me, so while the excuse may be there, you presented it yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/11/marcum-down-for-another-win-2/#comment-13669</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How convenient.

MW:  Huh?  Remember, folks, if you don&#039;t tell me what you&#039;re talking about, I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How convenient.</p>
<p>MW:  Huh?  Remember, folks, if you don&#8217;t tell me what you&#8217;re talking about, I have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/11/marcum-down-for-another-win-2/#comment-13562</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come to expect fair and rational commentary from your blog.  But when it comes to Stewart vs. Johnson, there is no longer question that you are in complete denial and have a double standard.  .269 can&#039;t be so bad for one guy to be considered &quot;can&#039;t hit&quot; while .274 is sufficiently good for someone else to be considered a &quot;rebounding&quot; performance.  As if that weren&#039;t enough, you think the guy who can&#039;t hit at .269 can&#039;t hit at .279 either, as evidenced by your excluding .279 from his list of &quot;good&quot; seasons.  For the other guy, though, if .274 is &quot;rebounding&quot; then .279 is probably comeback player of the year.

It&#039;s as if you just can&#039;t admit that J.P. screwed this one up and the fans actually have a point on this issue. Throughout this entire debate you have constantly ignored, ad nauseum, the last few years of Stewart&#039;s career, and the fact that Johnson has mostly performed as well or better over his brief career (see several earlier conversations I&#039;ve had with you in which I cite statistics).  You have ignored the underlying assumption declared and used by J.P. in deciding to choose Stewart, that Stewart is a career .300 hitter, and how recent history completely undermined any reasonable expectation that Stewart would be that good this season.  You have said that we couldn&#039;t reasonably expect Wilkerson to be good because of recent history, but have refused to use the same logic for Stewart.  You have relied on bogus arguments, such as that Johnson doesn&#039;t hit as well against righties, when the stated plan was for him to platoon with Stairs and thus to play mainly against lefties.  And then you support post-facto arguments about the Jays&#039; knowledge that Thomas wasn&#039;t going to stay by using a standard for Johnson that is incompatible with your standard for Stewart.  And your standards are very real in your mind, it would seem, considering the vehemence with which you have continuously spouted Johnson&#039;s &quot;average&quot; track record&quot; and Stewart&#039;s offensive superiority.

Stop writing this nonsense already.

MW:  See, this is the thing.  I was going to give you a measured response, backed up by facts, to show why I&#039;m right and you&#039;re wrong, but then you threw that last line in, so I&#039;m not going to bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come to expect fair and rational commentary from your blog.  But when it comes to Stewart vs. Johnson, there is no longer question that you are in complete denial and have a double standard.  .269 can&#8217;t be so bad for one guy to be considered &#8220;can&#8217;t hit&#8221; while .274 is sufficiently good for someone else to be considered a &#8220;rebounding&#8221; performance.  As if that weren&#8217;t enough, you think the guy who can&#8217;t hit at .269 can&#8217;t hit at .279 either, as evidenced by your excluding .279 from his list of &#8220;good&#8221; seasons.  For the other guy, though, if .274 is &#8220;rebounding&#8221; then .279 is probably comeback player of the year.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if you just can&#8217;t admit that J.P. screwed this one up and the fans actually have a point on this issue. Throughout this entire debate you have constantly ignored, ad nauseum, the last few years of Stewart&#8217;s career, and the fact that Johnson has mostly performed as well or better over his brief career (see several earlier conversations I&#8217;ve had with you in which I cite statistics).  You have ignored the underlying assumption declared and used by J.P. in deciding to choose Stewart, that Stewart is a career .300 hitter, and how recent history completely undermined any reasonable expectation that Stewart would be that good this season.  You have said that we couldn&#8217;t reasonably expect Wilkerson to be good because of recent history, but have refused to use the same logic for Stewart.  You have relied on bogus arguments, such as that Johnson doesn&#8217;t hit as well against righties, when the stated plan was for him to platoon with Stairs and thus to play mainly against lefties.  And then you support post-facto arguments about the Jays&#8217; knowledge that Thomas wasn&#8217;t going to stay by using a standard for Johnson that is incompatible with your standard for Stewart.  And your standards are very real in your mind, it would seem, considering the vehemence with which you have continuously spouted Johnson&#8217;s &#8220;average&#8221; track record&#8221; and Stewart&#8217;s offensive superiority.</p>
<p>Stop writing this nonsense already.</p>
<p>MW:  See, this is the thing.  I was going to give you a measured response, backed up by facts, to show why I&#8217;m right and you&#8217;re wrong, but then you threw that last line in, so I&#8217;m not going to bother.</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/11/marcum-down-for-another-win-2/#comment-13446</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments regarding Stewart&#039;s .274 and Johnson&#039;s .269 are hypocritical and intellectually dishonest.

MW:  No, they&#039;re not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments regarding Stewart&#8217;s .274 and Johnson&#8217;s .269 are hypocritical and intellectually dishonest.</p>
<p>MW:  No, they&#8217;re not.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;MW: No, what I have an issue with is that you say that all the Jays need is to be funded “adequately”, and yet you come up with a number that would rank 3rd in MLB this year. To me, they’re already being funded more than adequately.&quot;

OK I promise this is my last post but how the heck is another year at 100 million with the current contracts enough to go out and get a big  bat (preferably 2), another starter, an everyday SS, and Barajas/different catcher? You think that can be done with $25 million that they&#039;ll have after this season?

I repeat, if Ted Rogers is serious about contending then he needs to give JP, or whoever is the GM, more than the current payroll. You&#039;re stuck on the word &quot;adequate&quot; for some reason but I said &quot;serious&quot;. Adequate could be anything, it depends on the situation of the team. 40 million is adequate for the Marlins and As. But with the current Jays situation, with the current contracts, with the current needs, they will need a lot more than the 25 million if they want to be serious and instant contenders for the near future.

MW:  I&#039;m stuck on the word adequate, because that&#039;s the word you used, and I quote:  &quot;You’d think the richest guy in the country would adequately fund his team in the AL East instead of just teasing us.&quot;  I don&#039;t know if the $30 million will be enough to get what you think the Jays need, but they can certainly be creative in the trade market, opening up money by moving money elsewhere, like maybe B.J. Ryan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MW: No, what I have an issue with is that you say that all the Jays need is to be funded “adequately”, and yet you come up with a number that would rank 3rd in MLB this year. To me, they’re already being funded more than adequately.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK I promise this is my last post but how the heck is another year at 100 million with the current contracts enough to go out and get a big  bat (preferably 2), another starter, an everyday SS, and Barajas/different catcher? You think that can be done with $25 million that they&#8217;ll have after this season?</p>
<p>I repeat, if Ted Rogers is serious about contending then he needs to give JP, or whoever is the GM, more than the current payroll. You&#8217;re stuck on the word &#8220;adequate&#8221; for some reason but I said &#8220;serious&#8221;. Adequate could be anything, it depends on the situation of the team. 40 million is adequate for the Marlins and As. But with the current Jays situation, with the current contracts, with the current needs, they will need a lot more than the 25 million if they want to be serious and instant contenders for the near future.</p>
<p>MW:  I&#8217;m stuck on the word adequate, because that&#8217;s the word you used, and I quote:  &#8220;You’d think the richest guy in the country would adequately fund his team in the AL East instead of just teasing us.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know if the $30 million will be enough to get what you think the Jays need, but they can certainly be creative in the trade market, opening up money by moving money elsewhere, like maybe B.J. Ryan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay B</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/11/marcum-down-for-another-win-2/#comment-13426</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: a post a few days ago that asked for vernon wells to mind his language at the plate, and to curb the profanities for the children in the crowd and watching at home...

so now people are getting on him for being outwardly upset...at least it&#039;s different from the usual cries of &#039;vernon doesn&#039;t show any emotion, it looks like he doesn&#039;t even care&#039;...but instead of putting his every movement under the scope, let&#039;s please just enjoy what is possibly the most naturally talented, homegrown, position player we&#039;ve had the pleasure of watching...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: a post a few days ago that asked for vernon wells to mind his language at the plate, and to curb the profanities for the children in the crowd and watching at home&#8230;</p>
<p>so now people are getting on him for being outwardly upset&#8230;at least it&#8217;s different from the usual cries of &#8216;vernon doesn&#8217;t show any emotion, it looks like he doesn&#8217;t even care&#8217;&#8230;but instead of putting his every movement under the scope, let&#8217;s please just enjoy what is possibly the most naturally talented, homegrown, position player we&#8217;ve had the pleasure of watching&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;MW: But $133 million isn’t top-15, it’s top-3, or top-5 at least.&quot;

What is it with you and payroll ranks!? If you&#039;re suggesting that Ted Rogers wouldn&#039;t do it just because of the aesthetics of being a top 3 payroll, that&#039;s ridiculous. Plus, you have no idea what the other teams will do so you can&#039;t predict a ranking now anyway. Just give your thoughts on the general idea.

MW:  No, what I have an issue with is that you say that all the Jays need is to be funded &quot;adequately&quot;, and yet you come up with a number that would rank 3rd in MLB this year.  To me, they&#039;re already being funded more than adequately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MW: But $133 million isn’t top-15, it’s top-3, or top-5 at least.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is it with you and payroll ranks!? If you&#8217;re suggesting that Ted Rogers wouldn&#8217;t do it just because of the aesthetics of being a top 3 payroll, that&#8217;s ridiculous. Plus, you have no idea what the other teams will do so you can&#8217;t predict a ranking now anyway. Just give your thoughts on the general idea.</p>
<p>MW:  No, what I have an issue with is that you say that all the Jays need is to be funded &#8220;adequately&#8221;, and yet you come up with a number that would rank 3rd in MLB this year.  To me, they&#8217;re already being funded more than adequately.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Intern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom the Intern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You&#039;ve probably never met him, but Steward is the in-flight attendant on all the team&#039;s charter flights. I don&#039;t think he ever played Major League Baseball though. You&#039;ll have to get Jerry and Ash to ask him on the next flight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve probably never met him, but Steward is the in-flight attendant on all the team&#8217;s charter flights. I don&#8217;t think he ever played Major League Baseball though. You&#8217;ll have to get Jerry and Ash to ask him on the next flight.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, can you explain the whole mlb wavier wire process to me because I don&#039;t get it?

MW:  I&#039;ve explained it before in the last week or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, can you explain the whole mlb wavier wire process to me because I don&#8217;t get it?</p>
<p>MW:  I&#8217;ve explained it before in the last week or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey mike
   All i hear from my friends is how stupid the blue jays/jp, are for getting rid of reed johnson and sticking with stewart.  I don&#039;t really know how i feel about this but longterm i feel that it was the best move.  Most fans seem to forget that the jays had Adam Lind waiting in AAA, (whole most in baseball agree will be a great player).  You can only let a young talent like that wait for so long.  If you keep reed johnson then eventually your going to be right back were you were when it was reed and the CAT, a couple years back.  so by gettting rid of him and keeping stewart they kinda dodged that and stewart wasn&#039;t going to be around long (shorter than planned).  As much as i love reed, cause i was a huge fan of him too,  he didn&#039;t have a great season last season, also was injured alot, so looking at that it kind of makes sense. 
   So yeah things didn&#039;t work out great.  sometimes that&#039;s just how the ball bounces, no one is to blame for the unseen.  jays fans sometimes need to just stop whining and look at what we got, Wells great CF, rios Great RF, and lind future great LF... our outfield is pretty much set, and right now we got wilkerson and mench too.  I would argue that the eckstien was a worse trade, but that&#039;s a whole other blog. 
cheers
jeremy

MW:  Eckstein wasn&#039;t a trade, but other than that, your points are well-made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey mike<br />
   All i hear from my friends is how stupid the blue jays/jp, are for getting rid of reed johnson and sticking with stewart.  I don&#8217;t really know how i feel about this but longterm i feel that it was the best move.  Most fans seem to forget that the jays had Adam Lind waiting in AAA, (whole most in baseball agree will be a great player).  You can only let a young talent like that wait for so long.  If you keep reed johnson then eventually your going to be right back were you were when it was reed and the CAT, a couple years back.  so by gettting rid of him and keeping stewart they kinda dodged that and stewart wasn&#8217;t going to be around long (shorter than planned).  As much as i love reed, cause i was a huge fan of him too,  he didn&#8217;t have a great season last season, also was injured alot, so looking at that it kind of makes sense.<br />
   So yeah things didn&#8217;t work out great.  sometimes that&#8217;s just how the ball bounces, no one is to blame for the unseen.  jays fans sometimes need to just stop whining and look at what we got, Wells great CF, rios Great RF, and lind future great LF&#8230; our outfield is pretty much set, and right now we got wilkerson and mench too.  I would argue that the eckstien was a worse trade, but that&#8217;s a whole other blog.<br />
cheers<br />
jeremy</p>
<p>MW:  Eckstein wasn&#8217;t a trade, but other than that, your points are well-made.</p>
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