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		<title>By: herbert groberman</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13328</link>
		<dc:creator>herbert groberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend i have  read my comments and there is no question that you did not have the courage to answer very simple questions,all you came back with is you do not have time but i beleive you are paid to respect your audience in a much better way than you have showed.Perhaps it still would be a very good idea if you are not afraid to do so is show all my comments and yours to your senior managment to get their response in this matter because i am sure you are not the boss in making decisions so let your supervisor comment directly to me.HERBYbathurst@live.ca p.s.-if they prefer i would be only to happy in explaining why the Fan is going to loose all kinds of buisness because of Mr. Milners lack of respect for their customers.

MW:  You&#039;re more than welcome to forward any complaints to anyone you like at the Fan or Rogers or anywhere.  This is the last comment of yours that will be posted on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend i have  read my comments and there is no question that you did not have the courage to answer very simple questions,all you came back with is you do not have time but i beleive you are paid to respect your audience in a much better way than you have showed.Perhaps it still would be a very good idea if you are not afraid to do so is show all my comments and yours to your senior managment to get their response in this matter because i am sure you are not the boss in making decisions so let your supervisor comment directly to <a href="mailto:me.HERBYbathurst@live.ca">me.HERBYbathurst@live.ca</a> p.s.-if they prefer i would be only to happy in explaining why the Fan is going to loose all kinds of buisness because of Mr. Milners lack of respect for their customers.</p>
<p>MW:  You&#8217;re more than welcome to forward any complaints to anyone you like at the Fan or Rogers or anywhere.  This is the last comment of yours that will be posted on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: herbert groberman</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13315</link>
		<dc:creator>herbert groberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Milner if as you say you do not have the time to answer my questions than please pass on to your managment that i will make sure none of my friends and i have many of them not to ever sponser anything on the Fan radio station or ever bother to listen to your program specificly as they should not ever find the time to listen to a person such as yourself.I hope when you look in the mirror that you are very proud of yourself talking to an elderly fan that has spent much time and funds towards making this city well known accross the world for being kind and respectfull which you certainly are not by your remarks. Maybe when you grow up you will learn sometime to have respect for other peoples comments youcertainly should be ashamed of yourself so please once again pass these remarks on to your managment and get there thoughts as to the way you answer questions and if it really is valuable to the success ofthe Fan radio station!Thank you HERBY-bathurst@live.ca

MW:  Why don&#039;t you read over your original comment and then come back and talk to me about being kind and respectful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Milner if as you say you do not have the time to answer my questions than please pass on to your managment that i will make sure none of my friends and i have many of them not to ever sponser anything on the Fan radio station or ever bother to listen to your program specificly as they should not ever find the time to listen to a person such as yourself.I hope when you look in the mirror that you are very proud of yourself talking to an elderly fan that has spent much time and funds towards making this city well known accross the world for being kind and respectfull which you certainly are not by your remarks. Maybe when you grow up you will learn sometime to have respect for other peoples comments youcertainly should be ashamed of yourself so please once again pass these remarks on to your managment and get there thoughts as to the way you answer questions and if it really is valuable to the success ofthe Fan radio station!Thank you <a href="mailto:HERBY-bathurst@live.ca">HERBY-bathurst@live.ca</a></p>
<p>MW:  Why don&#8217;t you read over your original comment and then come back and talk to me about being kind and respectful?</p>
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		<title>By: tomas sliskovic</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>tomas sliskovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Hattig is playing for the Reno Silversox of the Golden State League, which is independant.
http://www.goldenbaseball.com/Reno/PlayersBio.aspx?PlayerID=1475&amp;SecID=393

MW:  Cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hattig is playing for the Reno Silversox of the Golden State League, which is independant.<br />
<a href="http://www.goldenbaseball.com/Reno/PlayersBio.aspx?PlayerID=1475&#038;SecID=393" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldenbaseball.com/Reno/PlayersBio.aspx?PlayerID=1475&#038;SecID=393</a></p>
<p>MW:  Cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13249</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, with your permission I&#039;d like to answer Mr. Groberman&#039;s points, just to &quot;shut him up&quot;.  Feel free to comment if you think I have not presented your position fairly.

Herby, here are the answers to your &quot;questions&quot;, point by point:

1.  Difficult to answer, since you are not too clear on what it is you are trying to say, but as I recall at the time of Thomas&#039; release, Mike said it had to be done, because he was not willing to accept a diminished role on the club, BUT he (Mike) also said he expected Thomas to have improved numbers over the balance of the year, as had been his pattern.  All of this proved TRUE, as (prior to his injury) his numbers in Oakland were much better, and on pace to have one of his better years (Oakland pre ASG .319/.417.516 vs Tor .167/.306/333).

The fact he was injured for two months obviously means his totals will not match last year, but who could have foreseen that?

2.  For a final summary of the Johnson/Stewart controversy, see Mike&#039;s latest blog (Aug. 11, re Marcum).  (Incidentally, I also thought the move was wrong at the time, because I liked Reed&#039;s defense, but Mike explains the Jays&#039; reasoning, and it makes sense, so it really boils down to a difference of opinion as to the direction they should take).

3. Not sure what you mean by saying &quot;even with them both having injuries&quot; -- Glaus has played in 117 of the Cards&#039; 121 games this year, so obviously if he has been &quot;injured&quot; it has not caused him to miss much time.  OTH, Rolen (not ROLAND) is now on the DL for the second time, and played hurt for at least the last three or four weeks.

Sure, using hindsight you might say that the Jays should not have made that trade, but given the fact that Glaus wanted out, what would YOU have done?  The Jays got good value back for Troy -- a Gold Glove 3rd sacker, who (when healthy) will come close to matching Glaus in all hitting areas except (probably) HR&#039;s.

4. Overbay -- Mike has answered this one many times; suffice to summarize with one of Mike&#039;s favorite lines -- &quot;Overbay gets out LESS than any Jay player&quot;.  In my opinion, if all the Jay hitters were doing as well as Lyle, they would be leading the division -- even with the lack of power!

5.  Wells and Rios, and their contracts -- ridiculous point!
Wells has been injured for all of last year and 2 months of this year, and Rios (except for HR&#039;s) is having a &quot;decent&quot; year -- not up to last year&#039;s numbers, and certainly not in line with most fans&#039; expectations, but not that bad -- .281/.329/.420.  Now that Wells is back in the lineup, look for both Rios and Wells to start cranking up their totals!!!

6.  &quot;The house that is waiting for them&quot; --- ??? What does this mean???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, with your permission I&#8217;d like to answer Mr. Groberman&#8217;s points, just to &#8220;shut him up&#8221;.  Feel free to comment if you think I have not presented your position fairly.</p>
<p>Herby, here are the answers to your &#8220;questions&#8221;, point by point:</p>
<p>1.  Difficult to answer, since you are not too clear on what it is you are trying to say, but as I recall at the time of Thomas&#8217; release, Mike said it had to be done, because he was not willing to accept a diminished role on the club, BUT he (Mike) also said he expected Thomas to have improved numbers over the balance of the year, as had been his pattern.  All of this proved TRUE, as (prior to his injury) his numbers in Oakland were much better, and on pace to have one of his better years (Oakland pre ASG .319/.417.516 vs Tor .167/.306/333).</p>
<p>The fact he was injured for two months obviously means his totals will not match last year, but who could have foreseen that?</p>
<p>2.  For a final summary of the Johnson/Stewart controversy, see Mike&#8217;s latest blog (Aug. 11, re Marcum).  (Incidentally, I also thought the move was wrong at the time, because I liked Reed&#8217;s defense, but Mike explains the Jays&#8217; reasoning, and it makes sense, so it really boils down to a difference of opinion as to the direction they should take).</p>
<p>3. Not sure what you mean by saying &#8220;even with them both having injuries&#8221; &#8212; Glaus has played in 117 of the Cards&#8217; 121 games this year, so obviously if he has been &#8220;injured&#8221; it has not caused him to miss much time.  OTH, Rolen (not ROLAND) is now on the DL for the second time, and played hurt for at least the last three or four weeks.</p>
<p>Sure, using hindsight you might say that the Jays should not have made that trade, but given the fact that Glaus wanted out, what would YOU have done?  The Jays got good value back for Troy &#8212; a Gold Glove 3rd sacker, who (when healthy) will come close to matching Glaus in all hitting areas except (probably) HR&#8217;s.</p>
<p>4. Overbay &#8212; Mike has answered this one many times; suffice to summarize with one of Mike&#8217;s favorite lines &#8212; &#8220;Overbay gets out LESS than any Jay player&#8221;.  In my opinion, if all the Jay hitters were doing as well as Lyle, they would be leading the division &#8212; even with the lack of power!</p>
<p>5.  Wells and Rios, and their contracts &#8212; ridiculous point!<br />
Wells has been injured for all of last year and 2 months of this year, and Rios (except for HR&#8217;s) is having a &#8220;decent&#8221; year &#8212; not up to last year&#8217;s numbers, and certainly not in line with most fans&#8217; expectations, but not that bad &#8212; .281/.329/.420.  Now that Wells is back in the lineup, look for both Rios and Wells to start cranking up their totals!!!</p>
<p>6.  &#8220;The house that is waiting for them&#8221; &#8212; ??? What does this mean???</p>
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		<title>By: herbert groberman</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13221</link>
		<dc:creator>herbert groberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if bravery has nothing to do with it-WHY DO YOU NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE STATED?No answer from you plain and simple is you cannot accept the fact that i might be right and you might be wrong so please do not avoid as you have done up till now and please answer my stated facts one by one. Thank YOU .HERB-bathurst@live.ca

MW:  No, it&#039;s because I only have so much time to do this, and your comments aren&#039;t worth my time.  You have just regurgitated the same old arguments that I&#039;ve been answering all summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if bravery has nothing to do with it-WHY DO YOU NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE STATED?No answer from you plain and simple is you cannot accept the fact that i might be right and you might be wrong so please do not avoid as you have done up till now and please answer my stated facts one by one. Thank YOU <a href="mailto:.HERB-bathurst@live.ca">.HERB-bathurst@live.ca</a></p>
<p>MW:  No, it&#8217;s because I only have so much time to do this, and your comments aren&#8217;t worth my time.  You have just regurgitated the same old arguments that I&#8217;ve been answering all summer.</p>
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		<title>By: herbert groberman</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13212</link>
		<dc:creator>herbert groberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No answer from you seems to indicate that you do not want the public to know that sometimes you could be wrong and it might damage your image .Mike- be brave answer my points as i relatrd them to you exactly. I T WILL ONLY HURT ONCE I PROMISE . Thank you . HERBY -BATHURST@LIVE.CA

MW:  There&#039;s no one who doesn&#039;t know that I can be wrong, and am wrong a lot.  Bravery has nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No answer from you seems to indicate that you do not want the public to know that sometimes you could be wrong and it might damage your image .Mike- be brave answer my points as i relatrd them to you exactly. I T WILL ONLY HURT ONCE I PROMISE . Thank you . HERBY <a href="mailto:-BATHURST@LIVE.CA">-BATHURST@LIVE.CA</a></p>
<p>MW:  There&#8217;s no one who doesn&#8217;t know that I can be wrong, and am wrong a lot.  Bravery has nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: herbert groberman</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13200</link>
		<dc:creator>herbert groberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Milner you still did not answer any of the topics i mentioned to you in my last message exept stating i had marvelous hindsight. I do beleive that the proof is in the putting and this team and managment have showed me no proof whatsoever!I really would appreciate if you could answer my questions to you either by email or if you have the courage live on the air.Thank You HERBY-bathurst@live.ca

MW:  The courage?  That&#039;s a great way to get your question answered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Milner you still did not answer any of the topics i mentioned to you in my last message exept stating i had marvelous hindsight. I do beleive that the proof is in the putting and this team and managment have showed me no proof whatsoever!I really would appreciate if you could answer my questions to you either by email or if you have the courage live on the air.Thank You <a href="mailto:HERBY-bathurst@live.ca">HERBY-bathurst@live.ca</a></p>
<p>MW:  The courage?  That&#8217;s a great way to get your question answered.</p>
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		<title>By: herbert groberman</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13105</link>
		<dc:creator>herbert groberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Milner-For some raason you do not realize that statistics alone do not make the success of a team.First example,You kept reapeating how the big hurt was better in the last part of the season and you had no doubt he would do the same and you kept saying what a great hitter he is and you had confidence he would come around as you know he was no benefit to the team whatsoever.Second reason you claimed Johnstons record of hitting was not as good as what we replaced him with but as you know our replacement is injured and if he was playing would sure not be the   energetic player johnston is and is doing very well with Chicago. it was a very bad move and did not help the team whatsoever.NEXT you kept saying how Rolands statistics were much better than Glaus but as you can see even with them both having injuries Glaus is performing much better.Next you keep saying that Overbays statistics are exellent but you fail to realze that with all those figures he does not hit when it really matters like hitting in to a double play with the bases loaded.So what i am really getting at statistics are for the birds!What matters is players earn there large salarys by hitting when it counts.what would be better getting four hits in a row with no one on base or getting two home runs with men on base?Even though his statiscs would be higher it just did no good.you will never convince me that your figures will produce a good ball club the way the blue jays are going.Ever since Wells And Rios were given large contracts they have both gone on a downslide-They both had great past statistics but look at them now.So we had better improve the way our managment is going with the team bacause if the do not this team will continue to go right in the house that is waiting for them . Thank You. H.GROBERMAN bathurst@live.ca

MW:  You&#039;re welcome.  Excellent use of hindsight, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Milner-For some raason you do not realize that statistics alone do not make the success of a team.First example,You kept reapeating how the big hurt was better in the last part of the season and you had no doubt he would do the same and you kept saying what a great hitter he is and you had confidence he would come around as you know he was no benefit to the team whatsoever.Second reason you claimed Johnstons record of hitting was not as good as what we replaced him with but as you know our replacement is injured and if he was playing would sure not be the   energetic player johnston is and is doing very well with Chicago. it was a very bad move and did not help the team whatsoever.NEXT you kept saying how Rolands statistics were much better than Glaus but as you can see even with them both having injuries Glaus is performing much better.Next you keep saying that Overbays statistics are exellent but you fail to realze that with all those figures he does not hit when it really matters like hitting in to a double play with the bases loaded.So what i am really getting at statistics are for the birds!What matters is players earn there large salarys by hitting when it counts.what would be better getting four hits in a row with no one on base or getting two home runs with men on base?Even though his statiscs would be higher it just did no good.you will never convince me that your figures will produce a good ball club the way the blue jays are going.Ever since Wells And Rios were given large contracts they have both gone on a downslide-They both had great past statistics but look at them now.So we had better improve the way our managment is going with the team bacause if the do not this team will continue to go right in the house that is waiting for them . Thank You. H.GROBERMAN <a href="mailto:bathurst@live.ca">bathurst@live.ca</a></p>
<p>MW:  You&#8217;re welcome.  Excellent use of hindsight, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim in Ohio</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/08/08/last-nights-the-jaystalk/#comment-13077</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim in Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post #26:

Sweep??? Where did I mention a sweep there. I only assesed the current situation the Indians were in. If you read my post I said that Lee and Byrd would be good and they were both outstanding. Lee threw only 104 pitches today, with 83 of those being strikes. Byrd threw 94 pitches with 69 being strikes and zero bases on balls in his complete game effort. I felt the Jay&#039;s pitchers held the Indians offense in check but I never dreamed the Jay&#039;s offense would stink that bad against Cleveland pitching, as the rest of the AL has been hammering them.

After the game, Cleveland&#039;s radio broadcast team of Tom Hamilton and Mike Hegan both agreed that anyone in the Jay&#039;s organization who thinks this club is a playoff contender is dreaming as they described the Jay&#039;s offense as &quot;awful&quot;. If you don&#039;t agree with that comment, don&#039;t tell me, take it up with them. They&#039;re the one&#039;s who said it.

MW:  You said &quot;nice, long winning streak&quot;, which to me infers more than six games, so that would mean a sweep of the Indians.  And they&#039;re the ONES who said it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post #26:</p>
<p>Sweep??? Where did I mention a sweep there. I only assesed the current situation the Indians were in. If you read my post I said that Lee and Byrd would be good and they were both outstanding. Lee threw only 104 pitches today, with 83 of those being strikes. Byrd threw 94 pitches with 69 being strikes and zero bases on balls in his complete game effort. I felt the Jay&#8217;s pitchers held the Indians offense in check but I never dreamed the Jay&#8217;s offense would stink that bad against Cleveland pitching, as the rest of the AL has been hammering them.</p>
<p>After the game, Cleveland&#8217;s radio broadcast team of Tom Hamilton and Mike Hegan both agreed that anyone in the Jay&#8217;s organization who thinks this club is a playoff contender is dreaming as they described the Jay&#8217;s offense as &#8220;awful&#8221;. If you don&#8217;t agree with that comment, don&#8217;t tell me, take it up with them. They&#8217;re the one&#8217;s who said it.</p>
<p>MW:  You said &#8220;nice, long winning streak&#8221;, which to me infers more than six games, so that would mean a sweep of the Indians.  And they&#8217;re the ONES who said it!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know everybody is obsessed with getting offense into the lineup, but I think when you consider defense McDonald/Hill is a more valuable combination than Hill/Inglett (or most internal options, besides an FA like Hudson).

MW:  The whole debate considers defense - that&#039;s the only reason people think that McDonald should be playing every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know everybody is obsessed with getting offense into the lineup, but I think when you consider defense McDonald/Hill is a more valuable combination than Hill/Inglett (or most internal options, besides an FA like Hudson).</p>
<p>MW:  The whole debate considers defense &#8211; that&#8217;s the only reason people think that McDonald should be playing every day.</p>
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