Comments on: Up From The Depths II http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/ Covering the MLB with a focus on the Toronto Blue Jays Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:15:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Tom http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11882 Tom Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:56:03 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11882 Mike, you want to get rid of Rios? Have you been drinking??? I know he is frustrating to watch, but let's just give him one more year.... Overbay seems to not like him either (probably jealous because of a superior contract). Overbay made some comments about Rios that he's "not as important as Wells and Hill".... Lyle should just be concerned about himself instead of evaluating other players. MW: Yeah, Lyle is probably jealous. When did I say I thought the Jays should get rid of Rios? When did Overbay say that Rios is not important as Wells or Hill. You made mine up, so I'm assuming you made Lyle's up, too. Mike, you want to get rid of Rios? Have you been drinking??? I know he is frustrating to watch, but let’s just give him one more year…. Overbay seems to not like him either (probably jealous because of a superior contract). Overbay made some comments about Rios that he’s “not as important as Wells and Hill”…. Lyle should just be concerned about himself instead of evaluating other players.

MW: Yeah, Lyle is probably jealous. When did I say I thought the Jays should get rid of Rios? When did Overbay say that Rios is not important as Wells or Hill. You made mine up, so I’m assuming you made Lyle’s up, too.

]]> By: Troy http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11832 Troy Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:33:03 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11832 Thanks for responding to my posts Mike. Its much appreciated. Anyway moving onto baseball which is what this blog is about primarily (I think). I was thinking that J.P. should be kept for another season to try and address some of the weaknesses on this club. Specifically the need for a "scary" bat in the middle of the line up. I guess that would be a dh. The other need may be a short stop who can handle the bat. Other than that maybe a middle of the rotation guy to challenge for a spot next spring. (if A.J. opts out, I believe he will). I guess what I'm saying is that I don't feel like some of the fans who wish for this club to be blown up. I don't think the Jays are that far away from being a real contender. In fact I thought they would have been this season. I like the outfield with Lind in left, Wells in center, and Rios in right. Rolen at third is fine with Hill at second and Overbay at first. Maybe an upgrade at catcher but I don't think its critical. Is it just me or does it seem like the Jays are only a few pieces away Mike??? Your thoughts as always are much appreciated. Oh ya another great day at the plate for young Adam Lind. Its really great to see. Do you think that as Lind matures as a hitter he'll accumulate more walks which in turn will lead to a greater obp?? Take care Mike. MW: He hasn't had a lot of obp issues in the minors, so I think he'll come around, and yes, I agree with you that the Jays aren't far away. Thanks for responding to my posts Mike. Its much appreciated. Anyway moving onto baseball which is what this blog is about primarily (I think). I was thinking that J.P. should be kept for another season to try and address some of the weaknesses on this club. Specifically the need for a “scary” bat in the middle of the line up. I guess that would be a dh. The other need may be a short stop who can handle the bat. Other than that maybe a middle of the rotation guy to challenge for a spot next spring. (if A.J. opts out, I believe he will). I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t feel like some of the fans who wish for this club to be blown up. I don’t think the Jays are that far away from being a real contender. In fact I thought they would have been this season. I like the outfield with Lind in left, Wells in center, and Rios in right. Rolen at third is fine with Hill at second and Overbay at first. Maybe an upgrade at catcher but I don’t think its critical. Is it just me or does it seem like the Jays are only a few pieces away Mike???
Your thoughts as always are much appreciated.
Oh ya another great day at the plate for young Adam Lind. Its really great to see. Do you think that as Lind matures as a hitter he’ll accumulate more walks which in turn will lead to a greater obp??

Take care Mike.

MW: He hasn’t had a lot of obp issues in the minors, so I think he’ll come around, and yes, I agree with you that the Jays aren’t far away.

]]> By: Vito From Hamilton http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11818 Vito From Hamilton Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:08:19 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11818 Axknowledge, Mike? MW: Pardon? Axknowledge, Mike?

MW: Pardon?

]]> By: Troy http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11816 Troy Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:54:57 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11816 Just to add to my last post (right now it is post 93). Not that I want to get to personel but sometimes it helps to let people know alittle about yourself so as to create more clear lines of communication and understanding. I don't want you to think me overly sensitive on this issue (in terms of being laughed at) but I had a very painful childhood growing up. I experienced bullying (being targeted for being small) and was made fun of on a regular basis. So much so that I would fake being sick so I didn't have to go to school. It didn't help much that I suffered from a rare condition that has resulted in me being disabled (mobility wise) but I guess it has given me a different gaze or lens to see my world through. Hopefully one that is compassionate and more understanding. Again I just enjoy coming on here to exchange ideas on baseball and ya obviously "real life" tends to creap in now and again. Take care Mike. MW: I'm sorry about your rough upbringing, but you said it yourself in the comment above - sometimes you just don't feel like proofreading. That's all there is to it. Besides, you're the one who brought up the spelling thing anyway! Just to add to my last post (right now it is post 93). Not that I want to get to personel but sometimes it helps to let people know alittle about yourself so as to create more clear lines of communication and understanding. I don’t want you to think me overly sensitive on this issue (in terms of being laughed at) but I had a very painful childhood growing up. I experienced bullying (being targeted for being small) and was made fun of on a regular basis. So much so that I would fake being sick so I didn’t have to go to school. It didn’t help much that I suffered from a rare condition that has resulted in me being disabled (mobility wise) but I guess it has given me a different gaze or lens to see my world through. Hopefully one that is compassionate and more understanding. Again I just enjoy coming on here to exchange ideas on baseball and ya obviously “real life” tends to creap in now and again.

Take care Mike.

MW: I’m sorry about your rough upbringing, but you said it yourself in the comment above – sometimes you just don’t feel like proofreading. That’s all there is to it. Besides, you’re the one who brought up the spelling thing anyway!

]]> By: Troy http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11815 Troy Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:38:45 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11815 Hi Mike don't take this the wrong way but I feel that sometimes your attention to spelling comes off as disingenuious. I know I spelled a few things wrong in my post (post 5) but you finding humour in it can come across well lets say at the posters expense. Thats just how I feel about it. I figure you probably are not trying to be mean but thats the thing about this form of communication (which is what drives me nuts about it) there is a greater chance for miscommunication in this medium. I appreciate that you seem to have this crusade for spelling, puncuation, grammar, etc. and it is your blog however please take into account that sometimes writing a blog at almost 1am well lets just say I don't always feel like checking for typos and spelling and such. I'm sure you feel your contributing to a higher calling with this but please a little humility here would go along way. Again please don't take this as being a shot at you because its not meant to be. Its just that know one likes to be laughed at. Take care and enjoy todays ballgame. MW: I'm sorry if you're offended, but if you don't want those kinds of mistakes to be pointed out, then proofread. Hi Mike don’t take this the wrong way but I feel that sometimes your attention to spelling comes off as disingenuious. I know I spelled a few things wrong in my post (post 5) but you finding humour in it can come across well lets say at the posters expense. Thats just how I feel about it. I figure you probably are not trying to be mean but thats the thing about this form of communication (which is what drives me nuts about it) there is a greater chance for miscommunication in this medium. I appreciate that you seem to have this crusade for spelling, puncuation, grammar, etc. and it is your blog however please take into account that sometimes writing a blog at almost 1am well lets just say I don’t always feel like checking for typos and spelling and such. I’m sure you feel your contributing to a higher calling with this but please a little humility here would go along way. Again please don’t take this as being a shot at you because its not meant to be. Its just that know one likes to be laughed at.

Take care and enjoy todays ballgame.

MW: I’m sorry if you’re offended, but if you don’t want those kinds of mistakes to be pointed out, then proofread.

]]> By: SteveW http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11804 SteveW Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:26:08 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11804 Vito says that Lind is a MONSTER. Is he referring to the way he has played left field occasionally? He certainly seemed to be 'cautious' near the wall on a couple of balls. Steve Steve MW: He's a fine defensive outfielder. Vito says that Lind is a MONSTER. Is he referring to the way he has played left field occasionally?

He certainly seemed to be ‘cautious’ near the wall on a couple of balls.

Steve

Steve

MW: He’s a fine defensive outfielder.

]]> By: Dave J http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11802 Dave J Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:13:15 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11802 From post 42: MW: Holliday, outside Coors Field, is just about exactly a major-league average hitter. This year Holliday's road line is .301 AVG, .400 OBP, and .459 SLG. Last year it was .301 AVG, .374 OBP, .485 SLG. Those numbers are not nearly impressive as his home stats but he is definitley not a 'major-league average hitter'. Holliday benefits tremendously from Coors Field, but he is still is a VERY good MLB hitter who has a good average and high on base. MW: Pardon me - last year (when he was arguably the MVP) and this, he's been a very good hitter on the road. For his career, he's been pretty much exactly the MLB average on the road. From post 42:

MW: Holliday, outside Coors Field, is just about exactly a major-league average hitter.

This year Holliday’s road line is .301 AVG, .400 OBP, and .459 SLG. Last year it was .301 AVG, .374 OBP, .485 SLG. Those numbers are not nearly impressive as his home stats but he is definitley not a ‘major-league average hitter’. Holliday benefits tremendously from Coors Field, but he is still is a VERY good MLB hitter who has a good average and high on base.

MW: Pardon me – last year (when he was arguably the MVP) and this, he’s been a very good hitter on the road. For his career, he’s been pretty much exactly the MLB average on the road.

]]> By: SteveW http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11765 SteveW Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:41:19 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11765 On an AL team that is hitting well, I think that they can suffer thru a weak hitting excellent defense SS, ie Johnny Mac. However, I don't know about the rumour of a trade to the Dodgers (or any NL team). That puts two non-hitters (counting the pitcher) at the bottom of the line-up. Steve MW: You can get by with that in the NL, especially when you have a catcher who can hit as the Dodgers do. On an AL team that is hitting well, I think that they can suffer thru a weak hitting excellent defense SS, ie Johnny Mac.

However, I don’t know about the rumour of a trade to the Dodgers (or any NL team). That puts two non-hitters (counting the pitcher) at the bottom of the line-up.
Steve

MW: You can get by with that in the NL, especially when you have a catcher who can hit as the Dodgers do.

]]> By: Peter B. http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11764 Peter B. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:01:40 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11764 Mike: In your answer to comment #24 you refer to Marco Scutaro as Marci ... I certainly hope that's just a spelling error. MW: I'll go fix that. I don't proofread my answers to comments, takes too long. Mike:

In your answer to comment #24 you refer to Marco Scutaro as Marci … I certainly hope that’s just a spelling error.

MW: I’ll go fix that. I don’t proofread my answers to comments, takes too long.

]]> By: jason w http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11763 jason w Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:52:51 +0000 http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/07/22/up-from-the-depths-ii/#comment-11763 I can't believe people are content with a .500 team. So AJ sounds off the trade block, I find it hard that no team has been serious with any offers of merit. The Jays are probably not making the playoffs, what is the point of not trading Aj to get someone that is going to help in a year as to draft picks who maybe ready in three. And I am not buying this JP is not lucky, because if this is the case we have the curse of JP and Jays under a .500 spell as long as he is GM. MW: There's no such thing as a curse, and I'm sure if the right offer was presented, Burnett would be moved. I'm sure he's not actually off the trading block. I can’t believe people are content with a .500 team. So AJ sounds off the trade block, I find it hard that no team has been serious with any offers of merit. The Jays are probably not making the playoffs, what is the point of not trading Aj to get someone that is going to help in a year as to draft picks who maybe ready in three. And I am not buying this JP is not lucky, because if this is the case we have the curse of JP and Jays under a .500 spell as long as he is GM.

MW: There’s no such thing as a curse, and I’m sure if the right offer was presented, Burnett would be moved. I’m sure he’s not actually off the trading block.

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