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		<title>By: Dan W</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-9039</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MW: I’m not sure what he was talking about. He could have gone back when Frasor came in, but it would have been a first charged visit which would have meant that the next time he went out, he’d have had to yank him. I think.

Pretty sure you figured it out already, but I believe Cito was talking about the fact that he literally stepped off of the mound, and couldn’t step back on, hence needing to flip the ball to Wilkerson. 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rule8.shtml, scroll down to 8.06 d)

MW:  Yep, it&#039;s true.  Pointed out a couple of days ago by an eagle-eyed commenter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MW: I’m not sure what he was talking about. He could have gone back when Frasor came in, but it would have been a first charged visit which would have meant that the next time he went out, he’d have had to yank him. I think.</p>
<p>Pretty sure you figured it out already, but I believe Cito was talking about the fact that he literally stepped off of the mound, and couldn’t step back on, hence needing to flip the ball to Wilkerson. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rule8.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-almanac.com/rule8.shtml</a>, scroll down to 8.06 d)</p>
<p>MW:  Yep, it&#8217;s true.  Pointed out a couple of days ago by an eagle-eyed commenter.</p>
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		<title>By: Brando</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8933</link>
		<dc:creator>Brando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I&#039;m sick of guys chirpping at JP. This manager brings in what the team needs every year.I think hes one of the most active managers in the game right now.And these are the same guys that said at the begining of the year,the jays are gonna win the AL EAST. JP looks at what the teams needs and goes and gets it, its not his fault Rolen and Eckstein arent playing like them selves.And how come JP gets no credit for the great young pitching staff.Im not saying hes the best GM but hes definately not the worst.

MW:  The vultures are circling - when people get excited, they get irrational.  I wouldn&#039;t say that J.P. brings in what the team needs every year, but he tries.  It&#039;s CERTAINLY not his fault that the hitters are underperforming to the extent that they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I&#8217;m sick of guys chirpping at JP. This manager brings in what the team needs every year.I think hes one of the most active managers in the game right now.And these are the same guys that said at the begining of the year,the jays are gonna win the AL EAST. JP looks at what the teams needs and goes and gets it, its not his fault Rolen and Eckstein arent playing like them selves.And how come JP gets no credit for the great young pitching staff.Im not saying hes the best GM but hes definately not the worst.</p>
<p>MW:  The vultures are circling &#8211; when people get excited, they get irrational.  I wouldn&#8217;t say that J.P. brings in what the team needs every year, but he tries.  It&#8217;s CERTAINLY not his fault that the hitters are underperforming to the extent that they are.</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8918</link>
		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike

In regards to Adrian co-alumni&#039;s comments, Cito could not have gone back to the mound to replace Frasor if the same batter is at the plate. Managers can&#039;t make two trips to the mound while the same batter is at the plate.  If they do, the manager is immediately ejected, and the pitcher has to stay in the game to face the hitter....once the hitter&#039;s atbat is complete, the pitcher must then be removed from the game.  Maybe this is what Cito was referring to, i&#039;m not sure.

MW:  Must be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike</p>
<p>In regards to Adrian co-alumni&#8217;s comments, Cito could not have gone back to the mound to replace Frasor if the same batter is at the plate. Managers can&#8217;t make two trips to the mound while the same batter is at the plate.  If they do, the manager is immediately ejected, and the pitcher has to stay in the game to face the hitter&#8230;.once the hitter&#8217;s atbat is complete, the pitcher must then be removed from the game.  Maybe this is what Cito was referring to, i&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>MW:  Must be.</p>
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		<title>By: slobberface</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8899</link>
		<dc:creator>slobberface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you misinterpret, M-Dub.
id never complain about reading baseball blogs at work...its too bad about marcum, i was hoping cito would try him at the 3-spot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you misinterpret, M-Dub.<br />
id never complain about reading baseball blogs at work&#8230;its too bad about marcum, i was hoping cito would try him at the 3-spot</p>
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		<title>By: rocco</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8892</link>
		<dc:creator>rocco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no you don&#039;t need more stats because I asked only for hr and rbi production and all you care about is obp and you are afraid to pick because you know you&#039;ll look foolish if I tell you it&#039;s raul mondesi or somebody.  you act like a girl mike, be a man for once.

mike who would you pick as the better power hitter and rbi producer:

player A 1889ab 67hr 258rbi
player B 2294ab 55hr 281rbi

don’t ask for more stats you are not getting any. after you pick I will tell you who these people are.

MW: I need more stats.

MW:  I act like a girl?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no you don&#8217;t need more stats because I asked only for hr and rbi production and all you care about is obp and you are afraid to pick because you know you&#8217;ll look foolish if I tell you it&#8217;s raul mondesi or somebody.  you act like a girl mike, be a man for once.</p>
<p>mike who would you pick as the better power hitter and rbi producer:</p>
<p>player A 1889ab 67hr 258rbi<br />
player B 2294ab 55hr 281rbi</p>
<p>don’t ask for more stats you are not getting any. after you pick I will tell you who these people are.</p>
<p>MW: I need more stats.</p>
<p>MW:  I act like a girl?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8884</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, don&#039;t EVER question me again (post #7)

MW:  You, you&#039;re good, you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, don&#8217;t EVER question me again (post #7)</p>
<p>MW:  You, you&#8217;re good, you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex P</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8881</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you were being sarcastic to commenter #79, but I&#039;d love to see Paul Beeston back as team president.  He is the unheralded hero of Toronto&#039;s World Series years (ok, well, not totally unheralded since he&#039;s in the Level of Excellence, but unheralded by the casual fan).

MW:  I think the casual fan loves him.  I was being sarcastic, but it wouldn&#039;t surprise me at all that if Godfrey and Ricciardi lost their jobs, Rogers would try to bring back Beeston and Gillick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you were being sarcastic to commenter #79, but I&#8217;d love to see Paul Beeston back as team president.  He is the unheralded hero of Toronto&#8217;s World Series years (ok, well, not totally unheralded since he&#8217;s in the Level of Excellence, but unheralded by the casual fan).</p>
<p>MW:  I think the casual fan loves him.  I was being sarcastic, but it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me at all that if Godfrey and Ricciardi lost their jobs, Rogers would try to bring back Beeston and Gillick.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, if you don&#039;t think JP has done a &quot;bad job at all&quot; why are the Jays a joke of a team - a team that is 5 or 6 games under 500 and going no where and have not done anything other than finish second once and third the other times I believe during his tenure ? 

On a scale of 0 to 10, what would rating would you give JP&#039;s performance this year ?  Over his tenure ?

The Jays should have let JP go back to Boston when he played the Jays off against the Red Sox.  JP is no Billy Bean - never was and never will.  He just talks a good story.

If you really looked at the multiple transactions that JP has done during his stay with the Jays in an objective non &quot;rose colored&quot; glasses and considered the tremendous attitude that JP has - at times complete disrespect for anybody who challenges him, the majority of people including many in sports who are as close to the Jays as you would say JP has done a terrible job and needs to go now.  There are way more negatives than positives.

Not sure why you are such a JP fan - never understood it and never will since you are regarded as a knowledgeable baseball person.

If JP were in a business role  and delivered these types of results he would have likely been fired a long time ago.

What is it going to take for you to admit that JP has done a bad job ? 

As always, I welcome your response.

Thanks

MW:  I don&#039;t think any objective view of Ricciardi&#039;s tenure here could be that he has done a &quot;terrible job&quot;.  There are a few mistakes that could be pointed to - overpaying Frank Thomas and painting the Jays into a corner with the vesting option, releasing Scott Eyre and Chad Gaudin, signing Corey Koskie, but those are few.  He&#039;s constantly trying to make the team better, and it&#039;s certainly not his fault that guys like Overbay, Rios, Wells and Hill have fallen off the table this year.  He hasn&#039;t gotten fleeced on a single trade yet, and has gotten the better of most of the deals he has made.  It&#039;s too early to have an overall view of his drafting, but out of the draft, he&#039;s come up with guys like Hill, Lind, Marcum, Litsch, Tallet, McDonald, Overbay, Scutaro and Accardo.  I don&#039;t blame him for the Wells contract, because I think he&#039;d rather have traded him.  Unless he goes insane over the next couple of months and starts making really bad trades, nothing will convince me that he&#039;s done a bad job, because I don&#039;t think he has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, if you don&#8217;t think JP has done a &#8220;bad job at all&#8221; why are the Jays a joke of a team &#8211; a team that is 5 or 6 games under 500 and going no where and have not done anything other than finish second once and third the other times I believe during his tenure ? </p>
<p>On a scale of 0 to 10, what would rating would you give JP&#8217;s performance this year ?  Over his tenure ?</p>
<p>The Jays should have let JP go back to Boston when he played the Jays off against the Red Sox.  JP is no Billy Bean &#8211; never was and never will.  He just talks a good story.</p>
<p>If you really looked at the multiple transactions that JP has done during his stay with the Jays in an objective non &#8220;rose colored&#8221; glasses and considered the tremendous attitude that JP has &#8211; at times complete disrespect for anybody who challenges him, the majority of people including many in sports who are as close to the Jays as you would say JP has done a terrible job and needs to go now.  There are way more negatives than positives.</p>
<p>Not sure why you are such a JP fan &#8211; never understood it and never will since you are regarded as a knowledgeable baseball person.</p>
<p>If JP were in a business role  and delivered these types of results he would have likely been fired a long time ago.</p>
<p>What is it going to take for you to admit that JP has done a bad job ? </p>
<p>As always, I welcome your response.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>MW:  I don&#8217;t think any objective view of Ricciardi&#8217;s tenure here could be that he has done a &#8220;terrible job&#8221;.  There are a few mistakes that could be pointed to &#8211; overpaying Frank Thomas and painting the Jays into a corner with the vesting option, releasing Scott Eyre and Chad Gaudin, signing Corey Koskie, but those are few.  He&#8217;s constantly trying to make the team better, and it&#8217;s certainly not his fault that guys like Overbay, Rios, Wells and Hill have fallen off the table this year.  He hasn&#8217;t gotten fleeced on a single trade yet, and has gotten the better of most of the deals he has made.  It&#8217;s too early to have an overall view of his drafting, but out of the draft, he&#8217;s come up with guys like Hill, Lind, Marcum, Litsch, Tallet, McDonald, Overbay, Scutaro and Accardo.  I don&#8217;t blame him for the Wells contract, because I think he&#8217;d rather have traded him.  Unless he goes insane over the next couple of months and starts making really bad trades, nothing will convince me that he&#8217;s done a bad job, because I don&#8217;t think he has.</p>
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		<title>By: jack poster</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/06/21/le-plus-ca-change/#comment-8879</link>
		<dc:creator>jack poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mike if halladay went 9 innings this game can he get a complete game

MW:  You only get a complete game if you pitch the whole (complete) game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike if halladay went 9 innings this game can he get a complete game</p>
<p>MW:  You only get a complete game if you pitch the whole (complete) game.</p>
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		<title>By: D.A. Weinbrign</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.A. Weinbrign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read every blog in the last month since i have no life and i am new to this website.. why does that one guy always refer to you as Michael of the ballyard?

MW:  I don&#039;t know.  But I don&#039;t mind it.  Wow, and on a Saturday night, too?  Speaks volumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read every blog in the last month since i have no life and i am new to this website.. why does that one guy always refer to you as Michael of the ballyard?</p>
<p>MW:  I don&#8217;t know.  But I don&#8217;t mind it.  Wow, and on a Saturday night, too?  Speaks volumes.</p>
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