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		<title>By: Tersigni</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>Tersigni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wilner,

You&#039;ve said on a few occasions that you think that &quot;something HAS to be up&quot;* with the Blue Jays not bringing Lind up before today&#039;s game. Some people have hinted that it had to do with a potential trade brewing, and others have claimed that the Blue Jays were playing with the numbers in order to avoid Lind from becoming a super-2 player and save some cash in the upcoming years, instead of allowing Lind to become arbitration eligible, and since they are already paying Thomas to play in Oakland, this seems like a dumb thing to do.


I&#039;ve got a possible theory as to why they would hold him back in AAA so as to avoid him being a super-2 player and would like your comments..

Although we have not heard any rumblings of a trade for Lind (or anyone else) right now, it doesn&#039;t mean that the Blue Jays will try and pursue possible trades near the deadline.

With Travis Snider working his way up through the minors, and Wells and Rios signed to long term deals, it seems as if there is one extra player for all 3 spots.

This suggests (at least to me) that one of the trading chips that the Blue Jays have is Adam Lind (unfortunately). With any potential trade partner, it seems as if Adam Lind would have a higher value if he would still have one more year left before he became arbitration eligible.

So, if in fact the Blue Jays brass were paying around with numbers it could possibly be that they did so in order to keep Adam Lind&#039;s potential trade value higher so that if it comes to it they can try to get more for him, or not trade away as many players in order to get what they want, instead of trying to save a few bucks down the road for themselves. In which case, I might not like that it took a few days extra for Lind to be called up, but in the long run, it might be beneficial if those bats start to turn around like everyone expects


I look forward to your comments, keep up the good work on Jays Talk, 


*Comments from post 5

MW:  It&#039;s an interesting thought, and there&#039;s some merit to it, but it makes no difference.  A team that&#039;s trying to win now must use its best players to its best effect without worrying about things like arb eligiblity.  Of course, if they trade Lind for Adam Dunn tomorrow, then it was the right move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wilner,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve said on a few occasions that you think that &#8220;something HAS to be up&#8221;* with the Blue Jays not bringing Lind up before today&#8217;s game. Some people have hinted that it had to do with a potential trade brewing, and others have claimed that the Blue Jays were playing with the numbers in order to avoid Lind from becoming a super-2 player and save some cash in the upcoming years, instead of allowing Lind to become arbitration eligible, and since they are already paying Thomas to play in Oakland, this seems like a dumb thing to do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a possible theory as to why they would hold him back in AAA so as to avoid him being a super-2 player and would like your comments..</p>
<p>Although we have not heard any rumblings of a trade for Lind (or anyone else) right now, it doesn&#8217;t mean that the Blue Jays will try and pursue possible trades near the deadline.</p>
<p>With Travis Snider working his way up through the minors, and Wells and Rios signed to long term deals, it seems as if there is one extra player for all 3 spots.</p>
<p>This suggests (at least to me) that one of the trading chips that the Blue Jays have is Adam Lind (unfortunately). With any potential trade partner, it seems as if Adam Lind would have a higher value if he would still have one more year left before he became arbitration eligible.</p>
<p>So, if in fact the Blue Jays brass were paying around with numbers it could possibly be that they did so in order to keep Adam Lind&#8217;s potential trade value higher so that if it comes to it they can try to get more for him, or not trade away as many players in order to get what they want, instead of trying to save a few bucks down the road for themselves. In which case, I might not like that it took a few days extra for Lind to be called up, but in the long run, it might be beneficial if those bats start to turn around like everyone expects</p>
<p>I look forward to your comments, keep up the good work on Jays Talk, </p>
<p>*Comments from post 5</p>
<p>MW:  It&#8217;s an interesting thought, and there&#8217;s some merit to it, but it makes no difference.  A team that&#8217;s trying to win now must use its best players to its best effect without worrying about things like arb eligiblity.  Of course, if they trade Lind for Adam Dunn tomorrow, then it was the right move.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2860</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Wilner, 
The offense was fine tonight (but not awesome) but  most of the time, but when we have a runner(s) in scoring position, it&#039;s so frustrating to not see him score. Also, I don&#039;t think Mr Brantley should&#039;ve been fired because this is just like last year. A struggling offense with decent-awesome pitching. I think the JP/Gibbons watch is on, even though it&#039;s not just to fire them yet.

MW:  The offense wasn&#039;t fine, because it&#039;s not just about getting people on base.  If you load the bases every inning but don&#039;t score, you haven&#039;t had a fine night at the plate.  I agree with you, Mickey Brantley shouldn&#039;t have been fired.  Every other member of the coaching staff got a mulligan because of all the injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Wilner,<br />
The offense was fine tonight (but not awesome) but  most of the time, but when we have a runner(s) in scoring position, it&#8217;s so frustrating to not see him score. Also, I don&#8217;t think Mr Brantley should&#8217;ve been fired because this is just like last year. A struggling offense with decent-awesome pitching. I think the JP/Gibbons watch is on, even though it&#8217;s not just to fire them yet.</p>
<p>MW:  The offense wasn&#8217;t fine, because it&#8217;s not just about getting people on base.  If you load the bases every inning but don&#8217;t score, you haven&#8217;t had a fine night at the plate.  I agree with you, Mickey Brantley shouldn&#8217;t have been fired.  Every other member of the coaching staff got a mulligan because of all the injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2859</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you at all think all of the recent fat contracts handed out to the likes of Hill, Rios, Wells and so on is having any type of negative affect on their performance.  As in, I&#039;ve arrived, now I don&#039;t have to produce?

MW:  Nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you at all think all of the recent fat contracts handed out to the likes of Hill, Rios, Wells and so on is having any type of negative affect on their performance.  As in, I&#8217;ve arrived, now I don&#8217;t have to produce?</p>
<p>MW:  Nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam McLean</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, the guy who said this isn&#039;t the special Olympics, results and not effort matters obviously hasn&#039;t met a Special Olympian, and has no respect for them in general. I think he should be ashamed.

I have a bone to pick with Jerry and I wanted your comment on this. Last night you were waxing eloquent on the need to put Johnny Mac in. Today on the pre-game show, Jerry was interviewing Gibby, and I was waiting for him to ask why Gibby didn&#039;t put in Johnny Mac. However, Jerry didn&#039;t ask the question.  Why won&#039;t Jerry or Alan ask those sorts of questions? I think they are the ones that need to be asked the most, especially by the media which is very close to the team. 

If you had the opportunity to interview Gibby, would you ask the hard questions?

MW:  That&#039;s a question you&#039;ll have to ask Jerry, I can&#039;t comment on his interviews.  The Special Olympics reference was in poor taste, and has been removed.  Sorry I missed it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, the guy who said this isn&#8217;t the special Olympics, results and not effort matters obviously hasn&#8217;t met a Special Olympian, and has no respect for them in general. I think he should be ashamed.</p>
<p>I have a bone to pick with Jerry and I wanted your comment on this. Last night you were waxing eloquent on the need to put Johnny Mac in. Today on the pre-game show, Jerry was interviewing Gibby, and I was waiting for him to ask why Gibby didn&#8217;t put in Johnny Mac. However, Jerry didn&#8217;t ask the question.  Why won&#8217;t Jerry or Alan ask those sorts of questions? I think they are the ones that need to be asked the most, especially by the media which is very close to the team. </p>
<p>If you had the opportunity to interview Gibby, would you ask the hard questions?</p>
<p>MW:  That&#8217;s a question you&#8217;ll have to ask Jerry, I can&#8217;t comment on his interviews.  The Special Olympics reference was in poor taste, and has been removed.  Sorry I missed it before.</p>
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		<title>By: Torgen</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator>Torgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another poor showing tonight, going 1 for 14 with RISP, and the 1 didn&#039;t even drive in the run--it was a fielding error by the shortstop on what could have been (but might not have been) an inning ending double play.

MW:  Wouldn&#039;t have been a double play, but the point is taken.  When you say &quot;poor showing&quot;, by the way, you&#039;re being kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another poor showing tonight, going 1 for 14 with RISP, and the 1 didn&#8217;t even drive in the run&#8211;it was a fielding error by the shortstop on what could have been (but might not have been) an inning ending double play.</p>
<p>MW:  Wouldn&#8217;t have been a double play, but the point is taken.  When you say &#8220;poor showing&#8221;, by the way, you&#8217;re being kind.</p>
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		<title>By: clint</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2856</link>
		<dc:creator>clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Lind wasn&#039;t the answer, send him down and free, ahh, oh I don&#039;t know, Russ Adams.  Seriously though this can&#039;t keep going can it?  That was a terrible first call strike to Lind in the eigth.  Wells needs to be taken out of the 4th spot, maybe Stairs clean up followed by Rolen and then Wells.  I have a feeling the homestand is going to have a ton of empty seats.  There are my random thoughts on the jays.

MW:  There are still four games left on the trip before you have to worry about the homestand, but if this keeps up, I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll see a couple of 11,000s.  And no, this can&#039;t keep going on.  It never has before.  Ever.  I mean, this is Cleveland Spiders bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Lind wasn&#8217;t the answer, send him down and free, ahh, oh I don&#8217;t know, Russ Adams.  Seriously though this can&#8217;t keep going can it?  That was a terrible first call strike to Lind in the eigth.  Wells needs to be taken out of the 4th spot, maybe Stairs clean up followed by Rolen and then Wells.  I have a feeling the homestand is going to have a ton of empty seats.  There are my random thoughts on the jays.</p>
<p>MW:  There are still four games left on the trip before you have to worry about the homestand, but if this keeps up, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll see a couple of 11,000s.  And no, this can&#8217;t keep going on.  It never has before.  Ever.  I mean, this is Cleveland Spiders bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Darcy</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2855</link>
		<dc:creator>Darcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Always enjoy listening to JaysTalk and reading your blogs.  

Just wanted to comment on the inexcusable move keeping Eckstein in the game.  I agree that McDonald should have been in the game defensively in the 8th.  The only (somewhat?) logical(?) reason I can think of is that Eckstein was due to bat in the 9th inning and Gibbons might have wanted Eckstein&#039;s bat in the top of the 9th to possibly stretch the lead and then use McDonald defensively in the bottom of the 9th.   I don&#039;t think Gibby or anyone could have forecasted the meltdown in the bottom of the 8th, especially after the clutch hitting by Rolen in the top of the inning. I think it&#039;s possible Gibbons was looking ahead to the 9th inning instead of managing the 8th.

Keep up the great work with the JaysTalk and bloggage!

MW:  You have to make sure there&#039;s a lead to take with you to the 9th.  If it had been the 7th, with Eck coming up third in the 8th, then that&#039;s easier to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Always enjoy listening to JaysTalk and reading your blogs.  </p>
<p>Just wanted to comment on the inexcusable move keeping Eckstein in the game.  I agree that McDonald should have been in the game defensively in the 8th.  The only (somewhat?) logical(?) reason I can think of is that Eckstein was due to bat in the 9th inning and Gibbons might have wanted Eckstein&#8217;s bat in the top of the 9th to possibly stretch the lead and then use McDonald defensively in the bottom of the 9th.   I don&#8217;t think Gibby or anyone could have forecasted the meltdown in the bottom of the 8th, especially after the clutch hitting by Rolen in the top of the inning. I think it&#8217;s possible Gibbons was looking ahead to the 9th inning instead of managing the 8th.</p>
<p>Keep up the great work with the JaysTalk and bloggage!</p>
<p>MW:  You have to make sure there&#8217;s a lead to take with you to the 9th.  If it had been the 7th, with Eck coming up third in the 8th, then that&#8217;s easier to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: sammy</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2854</link>
		<dc:creator>sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a law that states if your name is Buck, you are granted two doubles a game vs the Jays?

MW:  Not that I&#039;m aware of, but there are some old statutes that are still on the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a law that states if your name is Buck, you are granted two doubles a game vs the Jays?</p>
<p>MW:  Not that I&#8217;m aware of, but there are some old statutes that are still on the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky Z</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2853</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicky Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. I called Jays talk after I think 10 games and said I wasn&#039;t impressed with Eck. I stand by it. Your response was, He tries 110 %, etc. SOOOOOO? Desn&#039;t every major league player give 110%. Bring in a hitting coach who actually had played in the majors, maybe hit a few hr&#039;s of his own. Dembo hasn&#039;t even hit more than 5 hrs in the minors. WTF? Blame the avg. with risp on him.

MW:  Yeah, he&#039;s the guy who is 10 for his last 86.  Damnit, why can&#039;t he pick up his game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. I called Jays talk after I think 10 games and said I wasn&#8217;t impressed with Eck. I stand by it. Your response was, He tries 110 %, etc. SOOOOOO? Desn&#8217;t every major league player give 110%. Bring in a hitting coach who actually had played in the majors, maybe hit a few hr&#8217;s of his own. Dembo hasn&#8217;t even hit more than 5 hrs in the minors. WTF? Blame the avg. with risp on him.</p>
<p>MW:  Yeah, he&#8217;s the guy who is 10 for his last 86.  Damnit, why can&#8217;t he pick up his game?</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2008/04/26/inexcusable/#comment-2852</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think with Rolen back the 3-4-5 should be some combination of Wells, Stairs, and Rolen. That leaves Rios for the first spot, and he certainly seems to be taking enough walks for the job, and his base stealing abilities is the cherry on top. If Gibby was concerned with stacking righties he could go Rios-Overbay-Rolen-Stairs-Wells-Lind-Hill-Zaun-McDonald, and if not I&#039;d go Rios-Hill-Rolen-Stairs-Wells-Overbay-Lind-Zaun-McDonald. What ya think of my orders, or mainly, moving Rios up in the order?

MW:  I don&#039;t mind Rios leading off, because it gets Eckstein out of the top spot, but I don&#039;t know if Rolen has shown enough to be a 3-hitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think with Rolen back the 3-4-5 should be some combination of Wells, Stairs, and Rolen. That leaves Rios for the first spot, and he certainly seems to be taking enough walks for the job, and his base stealing abilities is the cherry on top. If Gibby was concerned with stacking righties he could go Rios-Overbay-Rolen-Stairs-Wells-Lind-Hill-Zaun-McDonald, and if not I&#8217;d go Rios-Hill-Rolen-Stairs-Wells-Overbay-Lind-Zaun-McDonald. What ya think of my orders, or mainly, moving Rios up in the order?</p>
<p>MW:  I don&#8217;t mind Rios leading off, because it gets Eckstein out of the top spot, but I don&#8217;t know if Rolen has shown enough to be a 3-hitter.</p>
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